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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Isn't the secret just a lot of expectation? The parents expect the kids do well in school and the kids don't want to disappoint, so they do well; that continues from grade school through HS to college to prof school. When I see highly successful communities (as a whole - of course not everyone in any community can be a MD/JD/MBA), I always assume that growing up it isn't about self esteem or "an A for effort" -- it is about results. Not sure why this would be different for Jewish vs. Asian vs. anyone else.[/quote]

well no it can't be just lots of expectation...there has to be innate talent and ability as well.

otherwise just because i have high expectations for my son and daughter, they won't automatically turn into the next mickey mantle and steffi graf respectively. [/quote]

That may be true for sports, but not as much for academics I think. Does it take a lot of innate ability to be getting straight A's in middle school? Sometimes it's just about doing the work. From what I have seen some parents just "demand" such grades, and the kids figure out a way to produce or else they know there will be a lot of lecturing and not a lot of hanging out at home; some kids can do homework on the bus and still produce those grades, while others realize they can't and spend hours and hours studying.[/quote]

k that's moving the goal posts....i'm not talking about middle school.

the academic equivalent to what i said would be getting into prestigious residencies, or that full time offer at Wachtell/Susman/Keker, tenure track math/physics position requires humongous amounts of innate talent. [/quote]

It requires talent but it also requires the grades. Wachtell isn't going to just believe you're talented -- they're going to want top grades from HLS, law review, ivy undergrad etc. You're not going to an ivy undergrad without being at the top of your high school and most high school vals were pretty hard working and high achieving since grade school. You don't just get the end results you want at age 25 -- it starts around age 5 and builds from there slowly.[/quote]

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