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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are just as many if not more legacies in public schools than private schools.[/quote]

Just as many in number, but not as a percentage.

That is the fundamental problem with this thread: no one can agree on whether they want a school that sends the LARGEST NUMBER of kids to Ivies or the school that sends the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE of kids to Ivies. [/quote]

I think the problem is even more basic: individual people assuming their specific circumstances (or even just their perceptions) apply broadly. Maybe OP's children will have exactly the outcome that OP is predicting here, or maybe they'll have the opposite. But at the end of the day, it's just one example with many other variables in play.

My take: folks on DCUM (of course) fixate on outcomes for the top 5-10% of students. While I personally think my children are the best, I want to feel good with the middle 50% result wherever they go to high school. The non-Big 3 that is our top choice at the moment, all else aside, has an average college outcome that is leagues better than our zoned public high school. Maybe the top ten kids at that public HS have a better shot at Harvard or whatever, but it's illogical to choose a high school on the assumption that my kid will be in that group however many years from now.[/quote]
I get this, but I honestly can’t imagine thinking my children would be in the middle 50% of literally any high school, no matter how selective or nonselective. I mean the bottom 20% of kids at JR don't go to college at all! A middling kid at SJC would almost certainly be above average at JR. And so forth.

Still, I think you’re also saying that families choose schools for overall fit and not just for college outcomes. Being an upward outlier can be helpful for college admissions and socially isolating at the same time. And social development in high school is also very important. [/quote]
Also a kid who can thrive academically and hold leadership and the other things that matter outside of school to top colleges, while also managing life as a student at a large urban school shows they have more “grit” than those who attend “elite” smaller schools. They also are seen have a broader, less privileged, world perspective and colleges like that.[/quote]

I know you believe this and want it to be the truth of how the world works, but it just isn’t born out by the numbers.  Per capita and on a percentage basis, elite private school kids take up an insanely disproportionate number of slots at these tiny elite institutions.  So, that’s not telling me that your gritty public school kid managing a large urban school has an “advantage.”[/quote]
It’s honestly depressing how many private school advocates apparently cannot understand the question.

Let me simplify matters and attach some illustrative numbers.

Elite Prep, an independent high school, has a selective admissions process that selects for smart students. As a result, Elite Prep has 50 seniors, and all 50 of them are smart.

Nearby Public Prep has only 20 smart students, and a graduating class of 500.

Elite U. admits 40 smart students from Elite Prep and all 20 smart students from Public Prep.

The [i]percent[/i] of students going from Elite Prep to Elite U (80%) is much higher than the percent going from Public Prep to Elite U (4%).

Also, the [i]number[/i] of students going from Elite Prep to Elite U (40) is higher than the number going from Public Prep to Elite U (20).

[b]But[/b], the [i]chances[/i] that a given smart student gets into Elite U are higher from Public Prep (100%) than they are from Elite Prep (80%).

You see? That’s the question. [/quote]

But your number analysis doesn’t reflect how elite DC publics and privates actually work.  Yeah, there are 40 smart kids at elite prep and then 75 smart kids at public prep.  It’s just not true at the very affluent rich public schools around here that there only 20 smart kids.  [/quote]

Exactly, when you have public magnets that are harder to get into than the elite private schools, [b]but the elite private schools still have a higher percentage to the top colleges,[/b] that is the more accurate comparison...[/quote]
They don't have higher percentage than the Magnets [/quote]

This year, Sidwell is sending more students to Ivies and Ivy+ schools than TJ (based on percentage). According to this years’ IG posts, Sidwell is almost sending as many students to Ivies as TJ (based on numbers—there’s maybe a 2-3 student difference). [/quote]
Nope.  You cannot based on percentage because you don't know how many apply to Ivy+ schools.  Not every student student apply to them.
TJ sends lot more students to Ivy+ than Sidwell. [/quote]

I would think knowing the number of applications out to Ivies would actually hurt TJ not help because Sidwell (and other privates for this matter) pushes choosing the right schools to apply to, often limiting the number of Ivy apps per student (and not all Sidwell students apply to the Ivies.). [b]Meanwhile, public schools tend to take more of a shoot your shot method and don't push kids to limit the number of Ivies they apply to[/b].,,[/quote]
You don't what you're talking about.  Not too many public schools students apply to Ivies. Percentage-wise (to borrow y'all favorite word), private schools students apply in higher numbers to the ivies than  public schools students. 
For example, Blair had a graduating class of over 700 students last year, only 48 applied to Harvard,  67 to Yale and 69 to Princeton. [/quote]

That isn't proving your point, cause all of those are significantly higher than number of apps Sidwell sent to those schools.  Specifically HYP requires that if you do early action with them, you have to choose one, making HYP your tightest numbers of applications.  [b]So why don't you go ahead and give us a full count of Ivy+ applications from Blair[/b].[/quote]
Will you be able to give us a full count of Ivy+ applications from Sidwell?[/quote]

I don't currently have access to do so, but perhaps someone else does. [/quote]

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