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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What about this one?
[url]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/14-year-old-scientist-heman-bekele-on-his-quest-to-fight-skin-cancer-with-soap[/url]
Fair or unfair? Rich or poor?[/quote]

Connected. The mentor is:  Deborah Isabelle she has an MS in Material Science.

It's not like that kid read into latest cancer fighting drugs, then read about skin cancer, then experimented between the how effective soap is to the skin cancer. That requires patients that have skin cancer and willing to have a 13 year old without a HS degree experiment on them.

This is exactly the fake HS research that the thread is complaining about.

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Working with a mentor makes it “fake”?

Then almost all research is “fake”.  :lol:

You have a very narrow, rigid view of what “research” is that would preclude many people working in research. 
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I said "Connected" - how did they get the mentors as a HS student? [/quote]

The kid won a science competition.

So is your gripe on how students are connected with mentors? 
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Yes and half the people replying on the thread. Connected - this isn't open to all kids. The Connected mentor makes a huge difference in the final outcome and execution. Independent HS researchers can't compete against Adult full-time pros. You either have competitions for those with mentors and those without or don't allow the deck to stack towards mentored projects.

Not sure why this is controversial.  [/quote]

The kid won the competition on their own - the prize was the mentor.

While I agree that there is a lot that is unfair in college admissions I don’t agree that this research is “fake”. 
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The kid use an active ingredient already topical and available in cream form; he took the active ingredient and said why not soap? There are no trials or proof or experimentation that the idea is more effective than the current cream. I don't think he even made soap. It's been 2 years and still no work to move the soap idea forward. Except for the prize nothing else came out of his effort.   Go to a science fair - you'll see mentorless kids that did more and won nothing.   HS research is rewarded by presentation of the material and the preparation of the student, it's like a cake that looks good and tastes like paper. The mentor is the one that makes the presentation professional.

If you think the research has merit than after two years post one citation or any work that built on top of his. Or even any effort on his part to move the needle forward.[/quote]

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