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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t think the “letter quality vs academic performance” argument applies to the OP’s case. Her kid likely had a GPA lower than 4.4 at the end of his junior year, which translated into somewhere between top 30% to top 40% of their class at TJ? Unless their letters and/or ECs are spectacular, not getting into an Ivy or T20 is actually not surprising.[/quote]

I’d be curious to know where they applied early to?

This is the kind of kid that should’ve ED1/ED2 to WashU or Emory or Tufts.[/quote]

ED1/2 to WashU would have been a smart strategy. I’m surprised that the parents were so surprised by the Ivy rejections! I think their kid got into a couple of schools in the Emory/Tufts range.[/quote]

I would have ED1 Dartmouth or Cornell or Vanderbilt.
ED2 WashU or Rice.

What was the major?
Family probably thought the 1600 carried more weight than it did.[/quote]

All those schools get a billion apps from students with perfect grades and test scores from everywhere in the US and much of the world. Once you hit a baseline for stats, the rest of the app is what matters - ECs, leadership, LOCs, community service, awards, etc. And that baseline is significantly lower than 4.4 and 1600. It's the what else you got part that matters at this level. [/quote]

also people don't apply for "majors" at ivies.  people are clueless[/quote]

You definitely apply to a specific college/major at Cornell and Penn.

And all the top schools, your application is read with the major(s) or academic interests listed…. it’s how they can also tell how competitive you are. [/quote]

no. you apply to a specific school at penn.  not a major.  it's right on the website.  and it's not how they tell if you are "competitive".  it's how they attempt to predict what the makeup of the class is so they have balance.  you don't get rank ordered within the "math" applicants at CAS[/quote]

Np.
If you list math and have no math extracurriculars or awards, how much does that hurt you with this predictive balancing?
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that's different.  that speaks more towards an applicant who isn't passionate about their academic pursuit, or is not genuine.[/quote]

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