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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t think the “letter quality vs academic performance” argument applies to the OP’s case. Her kid likely had a GPA lower than 4.4 at the end of his junior year, which translated into somewhere between top 30% to top 40% of their class at TJ? Unless their letters and/or ECs are spectacular, not getting into an Ivy or T20 is actually not surprising.[/quote]

LOL.  No matter how many people tell you that academic performance is not a ranked system at Ivies, you refuse to believe them.  Claim "racism" and move on.  ACADEMICS IS A QUALIFIER it is not the determining factor.  Listen to the Yale podcast.  Listen to the Darmouth Podcast.  Listen to the Columbia AO interview.  They all say the same thing.  Academics and test scores demonstrate you can do the work, after you are qualified you need to have a lot more.  The qualifier is ROUGHLY an SAT of 1450 and a GPA (with max rigor) of 3.7ish.  Yale, Dartmouth and Columbia all said the same thing, practically verbatim.  And no, it isn't about keeping Asians out, or Italians, or Russians.  It is about having kids who align with institutional priorities and enhance the community and the long-term standing of the institution.

So, having 100% math robot test takers isn't something they want.  They want a certain number of actors/musicians, supreme court litigators, federal judges, olympic gold medalists, NHL superstars, senators, governors, hedge fund managers, high school english teachers, social workers, world bank heads, UN delegates, presidential candidates, novelists, artists, engineers, and tech people.  It's just sad to see people tell you how the world is, and you go back to talking about stats stats stats, ranking rankings rankings, discrimination discrimination discrimination, SAT SAT SAT.

It is completely bonkers to me.  These parents are ignorant with a chip on their shoulder.  Yale isn't the India Institute of Technology.  It's not a statistics focused institution, it never has been, and it will never be.  If you don't like it, then don't apply there or the other ivies.[/quote]
I think you’re replying to the wrong post.[/quote]

The post was long but an appropriate post to the people on this thread insisting that [b]a particular GPA and a particular SAT should gain you admission to a particular school[/b]. That's not how it works, which is the gist of this long post.[/quote]

Understandable that you feel the Ivies should take a kid with low SAT score, as reading comprehension is not your strength. While a very high GPA or SAT score may not get you into a top college, an overall grade away from the top 20-30% at TJ means it’s an uphill battle for getting into an elite college. Also, your 3.7/1450 cutoff is plain wrong. A 3.7 uw GPA might be good at an elite private, but it’s only average in many high schools.[b] A former AO from Yale explicitly said his cutoff for a low SAT is 1520, and he had older colleagues who still gave bonus points to a perfect 1600 score![/b]
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