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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ed tech is how our teachers will let my first grader learn at their own pace (they are testing a few grade levels ahead in reading and math).  I get why people dislike it, but there are some advantages, like differentiated learning.  [/quote]

Nope.  Totally not developmentally appropriate and easy way out instead of doing the heavy lifting.[/quote]

Why is it developmentally inappropriate to let a 7 year old do a reading app for 30 minutes for enrichment? [/quote]

Because comprehension when reading digitally is not as high as comprehension when reading a physical book. This is all documented. [/quote]

Yeah but the PP says she doesn’t mind and this is enrichment so it’s not going to wreck her mind. Some math apps like Khan Academy are actually quite good. This issue is a lot more nuanced than you think. My kid has a different set of needs but this PP is not the first parent I’ve heard saying they appreciate the apps for acceleration so I am inclined to listen to them.

Also the research on digital reading is actually much less definitive than you claim: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10606230/[/quote]

Nope, small groups by ability or paper and pencil assigned work is the answer.  Not screens.  Maybe a 1/2 hour in 3rd grade for individualized work on screens but 1st and letting a child just do math and reading by herself on line is definitely not the answer.[/quote]

I’m sorry but you truly don’t get to decide that schools cannot access the technology that is changing everything about how work and life is done. Until you guys stop acting like “screens” are toxic in and of themselves, you are not going to be able to make any meaningful intervention. You need to focus. [/quote]

OMG, are you for real???  Are you seriously advocating schools use screen in 3-8 year olds?  Tech in work and life as an adult is totally different than in young kids.  It is absolutely unnecessary and inappropriate.  Go talk to your pediatrician and stop being ignorant.

And au contraire, screens use starting young leads kids to NOT being able to focus and with very short attention span.  Forget about them focusing later.[/quote]

I am saving screens are not toxic, correct. You are engaging in hyperbole which is just going to get you dismissed as a PITA parent. You need to start learning a lot more about the issue. [/quote]

It is not hyperbole saying screens are not developmentally appropriate in young kids.  Why don’t you talk to veteran teachers today about the differences in kids now compared to before screens.

What exactly is there to learn about screens in 3-8 year olds?  It’s a huge problem in DCPS esp title 1 schools and teachers here are saying so.  If you want to be in denial or vague so be it.  It won’t help the issue and families will just opt out of DCPS altogether.[/quote]

Bye Felicia. Hope you enjoy Waldorf. [/quote]

DP but: nope. PP just understands something you don't. It's like when people became convinced kids learned reading via osmosis, and then some of us figured out that was BS. It took a few years, but now everyone agrees with us. You're just burying your head in the sand and your kids will suffer for it. But 5 years from now there will be bans on screens in ECE classrooms and policies that limit how much time kids are allowed to spend on screens throughout the day, especially in elementary. You'll see.[/quote]

There will never be a ban on screens because all the testing and assessment is  done on computers. And kids need to learn to type.

You can’t just see this from the perspective of a 3 year old. maybe screens will be banned in PK, sure. But beyond that, not gonna happen. [/quote]

As a teacher…

I will absolutely be advocating for less screen time, especially under 2nd grade. To be clear I don’t think any teachers are wanting NO screens (except PK/K), but to limit the amount of time kids spend on them at school. And I wish at home too.

Also the typing argument is moot. I didn’t learn how to type until 3rd grade and I’m certainly proficient. Most research actually supports starting formal keyboarding around 3rd–4th grade because many kids don’t even have the hand size or motor coordination before then (occupational therapists widely agree).

[b]Typing is not a hard skill. You know what IS hard? Emotional regulation, executive functioning, critical thinking, creativity.[/b] A 2023 JAMA Pediatrics study (Radesky et al.) found that regularly using devices to calm young children was associated with increased emotional dysregulation over time. As the lead researcher put it: “A mobile device doesn’t teach a skill - it just distracts the child away from how they are feeling.”

And about things like iReady, Zearn, Starfall, and similar platforms -here’s what people aren’t saying: the efficacy research on these tools is almost entirely on grades 3–8 students, not K–2. The Zearn studies? Grades 3–5. The iReady efficacy studies? Grades 3–8. An independent 2024 study in Louisiana found Zearn’s effect on state test scores was a modest 0.03 standard deviations -statistically significant but small. A meta-analysis of educational apps for young children (Kim et al., 2021) found that positive effects were mostly on narrow drill-and-practice skills, not deeper learning like reading comprehension or problem solving. And effects shrank when measured by standardized tests rather than researcher-created ones.

Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Michigan found that most “educational” apps marketed to young children don’t reflect how kids actually learn and they lack scaffolded feedback, are heavy on extraneous rewards and ads, and aren’t developed with input from child development experts.

[b]We need to stop talking about “screens.” [/b]That is a reductionist argument. What teachers are actually talking about is what the screen displaced: unstructured and guided play, boredom, messy sensory experiences, conversations with adults who aren’t performing for a camera, and  learning the way children’s brains are wired to.

The slow, essential work of childhood development that doesn’t have a metric or an app. A 2022 NIH-funded study of nearly 4,000 children found that screen time directly displaced peer play  and that displacement was the mechanism linking screen time to developmental delays.

Some people think this is crunchy mommy anxiety but there is a ton of research out there and those who are privileged are aware, you do not see their kids going to a school that uses something like ‘iReady’ in kindergarten…
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