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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄[/quote]

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964.  There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.[/quote]

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same. [/quote]

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor. [/quote]

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.  [/quote]

Have you looked at CAPE scores?  Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math.  Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year.  I would not consider that a lot of buy in.  Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.  [/quote]

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.[/quote]

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher.   Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.[/quote]

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.[/quote]

Example of low expectations.  Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid.  Geometry is just 1 year ahead.  Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids.  Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.[/quote]

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.[/quote]

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum.  Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that.  TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry.  The few that do that is the highest.  No Algebra 2.  But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.[/quote]

Did Deal stop offering Algebra 2?  My kid took it in 8th grade.

Many advanced math kids in DCPS take DE math classes at GW et al.  Mine took two.  I assume MCPS has a similar offering.

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No kids at Deal but I heard that you have to squeeze in a math course in the summer to get to Cal in 10th.  Doesn’t JR offer at least 2 years of advance math past Cal?[/quote]

You don't if they still offer Algebra 2 (again, they did as of three years ago).

JR offers AP Stat and you can take AP CS A (as well as AP Physics C)...but those aren't really post-Calc BC.  Again, you can take Dual Enrollment courses at GW and other local colleges and basically take whatever you want...multivariable, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, et al.[/quote]

Wow, I can’t believe JR doesn’t offer Linear Algebra, Differential Equations, or Multivariable Calculus

The math offerings are just so subpar and behind in DCPS.
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Why is that so concerning to you if DCPS makes it easy to take those classes at GW or Georgetown and you are taught by a COLLEGE professor?
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First, it is not easy to try to coordinate your high school schedule to fit in the class.  What if you can’t fit it in?  So kids don’t get more math and challenge after just Calculus??

Second, you also have to travel and get there and back to your school in time and if you are taking public transportation, lots of variables that could go wrong.

Third, it is isolating when you are taking a class by yourself and not at school with classmates.

But most importantly, math is the only subject that DCPS tracks and they can’t even offer anything past Calculus at what is their best neighborhood high school in 2026?  Really?  When these offerings are standard just across our border?

If you don’t think that is concerning, I don’t know what to say.   What else is so lacking then in the other subjects that don’t track?  Is this a sign of a more systemic problem in the system?  I would argue most likely.[/quote]

Those offerings aren't standard in MoCo...I see only multivariable offered at BCC, nothing at Whitman...I am not going to check every school.  Those schools promote DE at Montgomery College as ways to take other classes if you want.

They are offered at Blair and Poolesville Magnet and TJ, but not really anywhere else.

Plenty of kids from JR and other schools take DE classes all the time.  It's really that not difficult because most of those students already finished their HS requirements and usually have a number of free periods for DE.

Furthermore, maybe 10-15 kids in the entire school would be taking math past Calc BC, so you can only offer one of the advanced math classes...certainly not all three.

Your faux concern makes no sense...at all.  My kid had zero issues taking Multivariable and Linear Algebra at GW and loved taking it in an actual college classroom with an actual college professor.[/quote]

MVC is offered at Wheaton as well. My kid took it and was able to take the UMD Math Department exam at the end of 12th grade. He got an A on the UMD exam and after paying thirty bucks to get the grade recorded on his transcript, he started UMD with the A on his transcript. It was really helpful to get that pre-req for engineering out of the way.[/quote]

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