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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How many people from these countries actually end up on welfare after getting green cards? If the administration is truly worried about that then they left out some pretty obvious suspects. [/quote]

It’s not just about welfare.

Similar to illegal economic migrants with dependents , they all start immediately using taxpayer services and social systems that others paid in to for decades.

Keep that up and it’s unsustainable and runs out of money and capacity.

Oh look, we are! [/quote]
There is no evidence of this at scale. You making up an example of a time an immigrant got a benefit is not proof that immigrants at large are draining the social safety net or whatever.[/quote]

15 million illegal aliens a year isn’t scale?

Having an avengers of 4.38 children per childbearing woman isn’t scale?

Clearly ESOL ain’t working so hot. [/quote]
The discussion was about LEGAL immigrants you claim are somehow draining social safety programs. Why are you mentioning people here illegally?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.[/quote]

Because legal and illegal immigrants have one thing in common, they aren't my friends.[/quote]
So you have no evidence?

Just in calendar year 2023 this is how many people were granted permanent residency in the United States. This is ONE calendar year. When you look at the numbers what is alarming is the number of elderly people we allow to get green cards. Out of the total 1.1 million people who got green cards in 2023 there were 200,000 NEW green card holders aged 55+.

The law says you have to wait five years for Medicaid and supplementary social security for 65+. So in 5 years you are potentially going to have 200,000 new people on Medicaid (and in some states they cover the cost and certain categories of migrants there is no waiting period.) And the ones who are 65+ will be eligible for supplemental social security for elderly people who didn't work enough quarters of around $900 a month. All the family needs to do is make sure no assets are in the elderly person's name or they are back in the country of origin.

No add every calendar year and it is millions.

Under 1 year	3,420
1 to 4 years	27,610
5 to 9 years	55,940
10 to 14 years	67,850
15 to 19 years	70,230
20 to 24 years	90,500
25 to 29 years	120,800
30 to 34 years	142,120
35 to 39 years	122,850
40 to 44 years	103,210
45 to 49 years	90,580
50 to 54 years	78,780
[b]55 to 59 years	63,560
60 to 64 years	50,960
65 to 74 years	62,420
75 years and over	22,090[/b][/quote]

This is actually a much younger age distribution than the US population as a whole. 31% of the US population is 55+.  Only 18% of people issued green cards are 55+. Your own argument shows that legal immigrants are a net positive to the solvency of social security and Medicare. [/quote]

No, the point is over age 60 should not be coming unless highly skilled migrant who intends to work or run a company in said skills. [/quote]

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