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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]With his alleged birthday coming up, let's discuss the person that is being celebrated. Present your information and argument for Jesus, fact or fiction.[/quote]

Jesus was made up -- not of whole cloth, because a messiah was predicted.  But those were the olden days, before modern science and running water and a bunch of stuff that we now take for granted.

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No he was not made up. His existence and the words he spoke have been proven. What is likely made up is that he was the son of God. Probably not. Then again, how did such an extraordinary person come to have such extraordinary advice on how to be a good person?

[b]In any event he was an amazing man and if we all followed his teachings the world would be a better place.[/b][/quote]

totally agree with this but totally disagree that his advice and wisdom were exceptional.  many many different people in different parts of the world had similar beliefs and ideas. I think what makes christianity extraordinary is that it is our newest belief system (the religions of the Egyptians saying be nice, tell the truth, dont steal, feed the hungry are no longer relevant but these ideas existed back then as well) and it was melded with an older belief system in a really effective way- the roman morality and ethics which was influenced by greek religion and philosophy mixed with judaic divinity and spread all over the world in a very effective way- its a successful marriage of time tested morality and ethics.

So many of the ideas that are present in christianity - universalism being the most attractive and obvious come from Roman traditions, the ethics of fairness and justice from greek philosophy. To be honest these influences are more obvious and beneficial then the influence of Judaism since judaism most important thesis " that there is only one God and He belongs to the people of Israel" is not present- if you look at the development of Judaism after the rise of christianity- Christian Universalism has influenced Judaism's notion of the divine, not the other way around. So yeah Jesus was a jewish man living the 1st century but the teachings proscribed to him are actually greco-Roman with the exception of a single God-head as a the head of a universal church which is much more inspiring than the old Roman method where the  emperor is god and all citizens should be united in the worship of the emperor.  It's the result f the far spreading roman empire and a testament to diversity and what it can achieve.  [/quote]

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