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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think there is some cheating, but my kid has to claw and fight for every "A" he gets and does not cheat--he has said that he catches other kids trying to look at his answers. He goes to a private school, if that matters-- although I think cheating happens everywhere.

He recently turned in a partner project where he did all the work and had to put his partner's name on the final result. I can verify that because he spent an entire weekend stressing/doing the whole thing. I told him "that's life-- you'll have all kinds of people who won't pull their weight, and you just need to learn who they and deal with it."

There is a lot of pressure placed on kids now-- I can imagine why they feel they must resort to cheating. [/quote]

Group projects always have  different levels of contribution to the final project and that is life.  I am sure teachers intentionally pair weaker students with stronger for many of these projects..i would do the same.  It is a learning opportunity all the way around.

I have seen parent march up to the school and demand that their snowflake be placed with other strong students.  Very short sighted approach IMO.[/quote]

My kids are straight A kids.  They are in the habit of doing their entire Group Project by themselves because they know that the other students will either not do their work or will do shoddy work. My kids don't care if underserving students in their group also get an A. They are focused on themselves.  Many a times they will complete the project way ahead of time and email to the rest of the group and NO ONE ever gives any feedback on what needs to be improved etc.[/quote]

In other words, your child doesn't know how to work with a group, which is the point of the project.[/quote]

No. My kid knows not to waste  time. Most of the kids in his group are slackers who don't have a very bright future ahead of them. The group project is not going to be a transformative  or life changing experience for the slackers. They are happy that they don't have to work and they think it is a win that they got an Easy A.  The truth is that getting that A will not change their lives. They remain low achieving students. And to get an A because someone else worked for it probably is not a great feeling when they see it on their report card filled with Cs and Ds.  Unfortunately, these are not kids who are good in anything else. Not only they are not good in studies, they are also not good in sports, painting, cooking, singing...nothing. It is like they have no interest and just wasting time. [/quote]
Given how you condescending you come across when describing other students, your kid might come across the same way...meaning they really are not good in groups. As a hard worker, I hated group projects as well.  But you need to learn to deal with people---it comes in handy. [/quote]

I am not that poster and work in a field where I typically work in groups.  But public school is totally different.  If I had colleagues that were totally incompetent, refuses to show up for meetings, refused to do any part of the job, I would get them fired.  There is literally no recourse for this in public schools.  I hate the group tests even more than the group projects — one group may have three kids that actually studied and they will do well; the other group may have one kid that studied and two that have done nothing and don’t care — if that group gets a B, the one student that worked probably deserves more credit than the three in the hard working group.  [/quote]

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