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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious. [/quote]

Denmark is a high trust society.  mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.  [/quote]

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse. [/quote]

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.[/quote]

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom. [/quote]

I'm pretty sure atheist countries suck the (looking at China).

The thing is all these religions have embedded in them social hierarchies and sort of rules of the road as to how people in various classes are to be treated, which is pretty much absent in atheism.

I think it's instructive but many religions consist almost exclusively of elite, but others are popular amongst the masses.  Judaism is good example of this where are the poor Jews, I think most just leave (not to pick sides because Muslim countries are known to treat workers the worst.) I'm reminded of the Hannakah festival where the Rabbi made a point to call out every politician and or wealthy entity in attendance.

Anymore when interviewing I'm careful to read the religious vibes, and I'm not even a woman.  The preference is for defacto American religion, that celebrates federal holiday's and days off.[/quote]

There is a difference between a nation that requires atheism and restricts religion, vs one which allows freedom and happens to end up with a large number of agnostics/atheists

The freedom is the difference and the key to success.

For the rest of your comment, you sound awful and prejudiced and isolated. I hire a lot of people and their religion does not factor into it! [/quote]

How many Muslims do you work for? Put some skin in the game!  You sound aweful not realizing that people in the same class as you who hold religious beliefs will not treat people fairly in many cases.[/quote]

Sounds like you don't want to live in a country that values freedom and has a first amendment like ours. If anti-freedom, there are other places for you. [/quote]

[b]As long as I am free to criticize Islam as loudly as I want and am free to avoid said Islam practitioners in positions of power. [/b] What else is freedom if you don't include that as said freedoms?

Your are free to criticize me for my choices, but you still are just being insincere in your assessment of what freedom is.[/quote]

What the heck? 
The chair of my graduate dept was Muslim. Is that power? I had several Muslim professors (btw this was a STEM field), is that power? 
What happens if a Muslim police officer stops you for failing to use your turn signal?
What about that Muslim surgeon who does your emergency appendectomy? 
If a Muslim in your workplace is made a manager over you, do you quit? 
If your town gets flooded and the National Guard comes to help and the commander is Muslim, do you tell them to take their sandbags and leave you alone?

I'm just trying to grasp this. Also, do you refer to Christians as "Christian practitioner"?

As for "Christian Ideals" every religion, even those that do not include a God in the sense of a creator or a divine person, such as Buddhism or, to take things further, Confucianism, include a Golden Rule principle (love your neighbor as yourself is the New Testament equivalent). To the extent that the US is founded on a religious principle, that would pretty much be it--the idea of human value and dignity. The rest pretty much follows--freedom of conscience, of expression, and so on. That's it. People who do not believe in God, whether they call themselves atheists or agnostics or secular humanists, have no problem believing in the same principle.

Even to the extent that the Declaration of Independence does invoke a God (the God of nature, innate rights and dignity which do NOT require Christianity at all), the United States is a system of law. That's it. This system doesn't tell us whether to go to church or not, what to eat, what kind of music to listen to, where to live, what kind of livelihood to have. It simply establishes the framework through which we ultimately decide what laws to make, how to carry them out, and to provide for judges to decide when either there there are disputes how to apply the law (civil matters)  or to oversee judgment when one person does not comply with the laws the rest of us, through our system of law-making, have put into place. That's it. All the rest--the anthem, the eagle, the flag, the national holidays--are simply trappings to remind us of that. [/quote]

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