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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]The suggestions that teachers do a little self-advocacy comes from this claim that they suffer from bad teachers too. If thats false than cool, enjoy carrying your colleagues dead weight and stop telling parents not to advocate for their kids[/quote]

1. As a teacher, you are seldom in another teacher's classroom. You do not necessarily know what other teachers are doing.  If you have team meetings, you can get a sense of it.  As an elementary teacher, I knew if another teacher's class was rowdy--but that does not mean she is a poor teacher.
2. What, exactly, do you expect a teacher to do?

Do you work?
If so, do you complain about your co-workers to your boss?  Do you try to get them fired?
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I’ve already answered thus— I am the boss.  When people come to me with issues of colleagues not pulling their weight, its my job to solve those problems. Yes sometimes that means I fire a low performer, since low performers create the resentment and toxicity discussed above— that doesn’t mean the person who reported the issue is bad.  [/quote]

Then call the administration.  Don't blame the teachers.  The teachers are not in the other teacher's classroom.[/quote]

Teachers and administrators have a role in the solution. If teachers want to work with parents to start holding other teachers accountable, their workplace will benefit. If teachers just want to complain about the mean unfair expectations on them to shoulder the burden of their slacking colleagues without doing anything about it they can expect more of the same.[/quote]

How would turning teachers on teachers improve the work environment? How would that improve the student experience?

Teaching is hard enough without worrying whether Mrs. Peters in room 102 is reporting me for a noisy classroom. Should I demand that Mrs. Johnson get written up because a student transferred out of her class into mine? Mrs. Smith wasn’t in her room after school when Susie came unannounced for tutoring; should I have her written up for not being on her post, or would neglecting duties be a better reason?

The poster who keeps saying teachers need to take on this responsibility clearly doesn’t know how schools operate. [/quote]

Reading is fundamental. The post is about advocating to the school board to hold underperforming teachers accountable not tattling on noisy classroom. No need to invent a strawman to excuse an unwilingess to take responsibility in your workplace.[/quote]

You don’t get it. (You don’t want to get it?)

Personally advocating to hold our coworkers accountable is going to do two things:

1. Pit teachers against each other. Yes, that’s going to happen. If I go to the school board to advocate against X, don’t you think teacher doing X is going to feel targeted? And don’t you think that’ll cause some issues at the copier? There’s a reason this is ADMIN’S job and not ours. Admin is LITERALLY TASKED with teacher evaluation.

2. The time I’m doing admin’s job is time I should be doing my own. Shouldn’t I stay in my lane, doing what I’m supposed to do well? [/quote]

If “X” is “failing to give adequate instruction such that _% of students every year request to be transferred to other teachers” why is it that you DON’T want to target that? Why do you want to perpetuate a culture like this?[/quote]

Requests to move classes are known to counselors and admin, this information is shared already, there is nothing more for teachers to do. And how would teachers know if it was inadequate instruction since they haven’t witnessed said instruction (again, admin does that)?[/quote]

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