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Materialism only gets you so far, PP.[/quote]

Yes, I agree.   It does not get me to a place where I can imagine a heaven into being.   But I definitely understand why people have done so.   The first time my sweet little girl asked me in tears, what happens when people die, I lied my ass off to her, and told her all about God and heaven.   I know it is all a myth, but I couldn't bear to tell my child the sad truth.

I'm sure that the same impulse is what caused our various societies throughout history to invent the concept of an afterlife and God.   Our brains need to make meaning out of noise.   It is what we do while alive, and we do it very very well.  We did it with the Egyptian myths, the Greek myths, the Hindu myths, the Norse myths, the Zoroastrian myths, the Hebrew myths.  The Catholic myths on which I was raised are just another addition to the cycle or stories.

I realize why people need these myths, and I don't blame you for seeking them and promoting them, and if you are able to believe, I don't wonder that you pity those of us who realize they aren't true.   If I were you, I'd feel the same way about me.

But I don't hate you, nor do I mock you, nor do I seek out believers to destroy their faith (not that you can -- there is no argument against faith, because it is not based on logic.)[/quote]

PP, this is OP, and I have appreciated your thoughtful posts.  You remind me of myself.

All I can say is that all of your doubts are reasonable and valid.  Not only did I share all of them, I still do.  There is a constant running stream of doubt with me, always.

Faith is ultimately an act of will and a gift you accept.  Today, I will offer up my various moments of doubt for you.  I know you would not believe in that concept, either--that we can lift one another up, that grace abounds.  But that's ok.  God has the eternal perspective we lack.  And He is with you.

My daughter's questions also required answers.  As Obama said last night, we need the faith of a child to begin to understand our Creator.  Your daughter's faith is real.  My daughter's faith was, too.  It began to show me the way.

If you seek the truth, you will find it.  And you are a truth-seeker, clearly, from your posts.  In His time.[/quote]

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