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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^^ asking sincerely how any of that would be any different if it was all made up?[/quote]

[b]Not sure what you are getting at[/b]. Of course you can believe it was all made up. That twelve people decided to make up a religion focused on a crucified pathetic man and gave their own lives for it. Honestly, anything is possible. The thing with God is that he gives us enough to believe but also enough to doubt. That is the central drama of all human existence, and it is a story that unfolds inside each of us. You can believe or you can not.[/quote]

Just what I asked very simply: How would any of what you typed be different if it was all made up?

Meaning that: it is 100% possible it is all made up, and nothing you typed is even a shard of evidence it is true.

I'll address your other points also, if you wish. But please answer this one first.[/quote]

I mean, as I said, I think there is evidence. But if it were all fake, then I guess I can turn it around and ask you, so what? I spent my life believing in something that is false but gave me meaning and made my life richer. I am not afraid of being wrong because if I am wrong, then there is no God and so life is meaningless anyways (in the sense that it means whatever I decide it means), and I would still want to believe in Christianity. People think atheism is not a belief system but it totally is. No one is devoid if any thoughts on spirituality. So if I had to choose between Christianity and atheism just based on this lifetime and knowing nothing about what comes after, I would still choose Christianity. [/quote]

Admitting you don’t care if what you believe is true or not is very honest and sincerely appreciated.[/quote]

It is not that I don't care. It is that I have not encountered anything in the secular world that offers any meaning to life that comes close to what Christianity offers that I am willing to take that risk. Again, if I am wrong, then there is no "truth" anyways, so you are not in any better of a position by any measure. [/quote]

Here's your problem. You want life to have meaning. A purpose. This is due to being fed this non-sense by religion, especially Christianity, all your life. There is no meaning or purpose to life. It simply is. [/quote]

Believing life has no meaning is a positive belief. It is not any more correct than believing there is meaning. Good for you if that makes you happy. [/quote]

DP - I think PP meant there was no divine purpose to life, no intelligent reason for us to be here.  PP didn’t say they were a nihilist.  Maybe though?  Let’s ask.

Not believing a thing is not the same as believing the opposite.  If I show you a jar of jellybeans and ask if you will make a bet they are an even number, and you say no, does that mean you think there is an odd number of jellybeans?[/quote]

I'm the PP quoted. First, I don't get your point on a positive, or negative, belief. It's irrelevant to my underlying point. I don't think of myself as a nihilist, but I agree that there is no divine purpose to life.

Did all the other living organisms on this planet over the course of the last few billion years need to have a meaning and purpose to exist before people came along? If we succeed in destroying ourselves, does any life that persists and continues need to have humans around to provide them purpose?

Wanting to ascribe meaning to life comes from one's own need for validation. [/quote]

So you are the jellybean/gumball poster from a while ago. I say this kindly, but you really should stop spending time debating Christians. Just focus on yourself. [/quote]

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