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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]These people are living in a bubble.  They only consume information that supports their beliefs.  No facts can sway them.  Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large.  In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.[/quote]

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on [/quote]

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.[/quote]

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys. [/quote]

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them. [/quote]

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible. [/quote]

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone. [/quote]

Nope, sorry. These people could not give two sh*ts about poor people in cities and blue states. They have only ever cared about their own suffering which they could have prevented with better life choices. Nothing was holding them back at a systemic or societal level. Just their own sense of entitlement. They’re miserable so they want everyone else to be miserable too. [/quote]

And they have the same attitude about you. Is this how we govern our society now? Just constantly trying to inflict more pain on each other because we don't like or care about anyone who doesn't think and live exactly as we do? We vote to spread misery around, while the billionaire class robs us all blind? While disaffected men shoot up our theaters and schools and grocery stores?

If you want to improve things for us all, you just might have to reach out and help someone you don't like or understand.

Want safer cities? Support better schools and programs for poor people. Want less violence? Give angry young men something to hope for. It's all connected. The sooner we realize this, the better. We improve all of our lives BY IMPROVING ALL OF OUR LIVES. Not just the people you like, who live and think exactly as you do. [/quote]

I’m all set on the lecture. Again, I will show these people empathy when they show themselves to be capable of showing it towards others. They have never cared about anyone other than themselves. In case you haven’t noticed, being the bigger person doesn’t work. It’s a winner take all, zero sum game in our current system. They don’t want handouts (so they say) and they don’t want to pay for handouts for others. So screw it. Let them realize that what we had wasn’t as bad as they made it out to be. Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom before they come to their senses. [/quote]

Some people have to recieve empathy before they even understand what it is for themselves. So you can keep being a dick and thinking that kindness and empathy with magically spring up out of nothing, or you can spread the kindness and empathy you claim to want to see. [/quote]

They don’t want anything from you. They hate you.

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I know that. I'm Black and a woman. But I try to be solution focused. We need these people. We won't accomplish what needs to be accomplished without them. And we will never get them on our side if we tell them their pain and fear and struggles don't matter. There is real pain and fear and struggle at the root of all of this, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And we do in fact need them, whether you want to acknowledge that or not. [/quote]

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