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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And to be clear, the very use of the term “Latin Mass” is imprecise to the point of meaninglessness. There is, as discussed at length, the “Vetus Ordo” (Missal of Paul V), which must be celebrated in Latin; there is also the “Novus Ordo” (Missal of Paul VI), the authoritative text of which is in Latin but which may be celebrated in the vernacular or (as is common) partly in Latin and partly in the vernacular.

Are you suggesting that attending a Novus Ordo Mass at the Basilica of the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, with some of the parts in Latin, is something indicative of political “conservatism?”  How about the same Mass in the same place entirely in Latin?

Or is it only the Vetus Ordo and its aficionados you feel entitled casually to label with stereotypes?[/quote]

My God you are tedious.  You must be a blast at parties.  [/quote]

Actually, what’s tedious is people blithely equating liturgical preferences of millions of people they’ve never met with some projected view of political preferences, as if everyone fell into their stereotypical caricature. It’s also tedious when people insist that their extremely narrow personal experience, focused through the prejudiced lense of their own narrow-minded world view, somehow trumps the information that even a cursory web search would reveal. It’s also tedious when people use ambiguous and meaningless terms instead of being precise, even after the precise terms are explained to them. And it certainly is tedious when, instead of presenting substantive information and argument, people degenerate to puerile name calling.

But “man was born to suffer as the sparks fly upward,” I guess. [/quote]

It is tedious when you insist on being pedantic over and over. It is just inaccurate to say there is no correlation between Opus Dei in the US and right wing politics.  No one would ever say that with a straight face.

And I noticed you never even addressed the topic of the thread, which is JD Vance’s assertion that the US Bishops are trafficking illegal immigrants to make money. [/quote]

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