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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'd love to know how many millions of pounds of carbon will be released into the atmosphere each year because engines idling unnecessarily at red lights.

I guess we can blame the Council and the bike mafia for global warming now.   [/quote]

"Unnecessarily" why? There's nothing unnecessary about safer streets.[/quote]

"Traffic calming" doesnt actually make the streets any safer. The number of people killed by speeding drivers in Washington DC is more or less the same every single year (around 10) for the past 25 years.  Traffic calming does force drivers to sit in traffic longer which increases greenhouse gas emissions. [/quote]

The number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years, per the government:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8[/quote]

Not this shit again . . .

For the umpteenth time, unless you believe that crashes always have a single cause - or don’t care because you believe your point matters more than truth - these numbers (whoever compiled them) are absolutely meaningless.[/quote]

[b]No one ever said anything about crashes having a single cause.[/b] They are the official number of traffic deaths each year in Washington D.C. in which speeding was the "predominant" cause according to the DC government. Here's the numbers again:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If all the "traffic calming" measures the city has implemented over the years (and there are many!) have actually reduced deaths, please point out which year they began to reduce deaths.  [/quote]

In your previous post, you presented these numbers as the “number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years”.

Now you are claiming that they represent something different, which by the way is absolutely meaningless.

You are person who lies about data in order to make the streets of DC less safe. It’s hard to imagine of a more vile use of time. Please get lost and stay lost.[/quote]

Those are the official numbers. I'm just asking when you think traffic calming began reducing traffic deaths. It's a simple and fair question. Your tortured, mealy mouthed excuses demonstrate to everyone reading this that you have no clue if traffic calming has accomplished, aside from aggravating drivers and increasing greenhouse gas emissions. Here's the numbers again for everyone to see.

The official number of traffic deaths each year in Washington D.C. in which speeding was the "predominant" cause according to the DC government:

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8[/quote]

You are the epitome of everything that is wrong with this era in American democracy.

After combing the internet incessantly for a patina of information to confirm your biases, you found a few numbers in an MPD publication that you seem to think help you out.

You have taken to posting these numbers on every single thread that is peripherally related to traffic safety and pretending to be an expert. Seemingly there are some gullible folk out there who share your biases and eagerly buy in to your nonsense.

The problem is that you understand absolutely nothing about crash investigations, statistics, causal inference, road traffic, or other topics relevant to the discussion.

Many others have pointed out to you the fatal flaws in your thesis and you just ignore them and carry on with your nonsense in defiance.

It’s pathetic and disgusting.[/quote]

It's pathetic and disgusting to ask what all the traffic calming measures the city has undertaken over the years have accomplished? To be fair, it's hard to see how they've made any difference in the number of people killed each year by speeding drivers. There's not really any clear pattern in the numbers. If anything, the numbers are remarkably stable. They don't really vary each year in a statistically significant way. [/quote]

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