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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Basically when a “conservative” (read: MAGA) says news has a liberal bias, they mean the news isn’t being told (or not told) from the perspective of MAGA.  So to them, unless it is MAGA aligned it is biased.  This includes both unbiased/accurate/factual news and also liberally biased news (MSNBC, now CNN, and NYT editorial pages).

So MAGA will say Fox News is unbiased (as some posters here do).

But what they mean, for example, is Fox News told the MAGA truth on things like the “stolen “ 2020 election.  They’re so deluded that they think that is the truth and if you report anything other than that truth then your biased.

So, when the AP writes a wire story about Trump lying (which is factual) and Rachel Maddow goes on a talking heads tirade and editorializes, they say it’s the same thing.

It is factually accurate to call MAGA an authoritarian, nativist, populist, xenophobic, pseudo-fascist movement. Those are factual descriptions based on the public statements and actions of the movement’s leaders.  This belongs in unbiased reporting - and in fact, simply calling the movement “conservative” is factually inaccurate and biased.

On the other hand, because MAGA opposes abortion, it is not factual to say “MAGA is waging a war on women”.  That is an opinion and is subjective and biased.

I think the real problem here is the declining quality of education that didn’t get “fact/opinion” and “objective/subjective”  drills repeated enough for students that they could take that critical analysis with them into adulthood.

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As an educational post as you seem to be advocating, do you see here how you are showing your bias? Everything is through the lens of conservative = MAGA = bad. Trying doing the same experiment with a liberal, far-leaning left POV and see what you get. My point is it not just the far right doing this. It is far left, as well. There are many of us who have traditionally voted Democrat, and suddenly finding ourselves in a world ruled by social media nut cases on both sides. At this point, if feels very much like Pick Your Poison. [/quote]

No, I simply said MAGA = authoritarian, nativist, populist, xenophobic, pseudo-fascist movement.

That is a factual description of the movement.
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Fascinating that you really believe that. Shows how programming and propaganda can work on the susceptible. [/quote]

Uh.  No. I’ve studied history and political science for my career.[/quote]

You confuse indoctrination with education. [/quote]

Lol ok, champ.

MAGA is an authoritarian movement, which is a statement that can be readily backed up by *primary* (statements of their leaders).

Their policy positions place them to the far right, near fascist, end of the spectrum.  Their tactics and rhetoric resemble closely the fascist movements of the past - including, but not limited to, the American Nazi Party.  This again can be substantiated by comparing primary sources and seeing the similarities.

Anyone who watched the events live on January 6 can provide primary source material to substantiate that it was a MAGA aligned mob attacking police, attempting to reach elected officials, with the stated purpose of overturning an election.

Anyone who checks the court filings can easily say that judge after judge said the Trump campaign court filings were filled with lies created to try to subvert the elections.

This is objective analysis, you simply don’t like it.  
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You’re joking right? The Nazi party is about racism and white nationalism. Meanwhile Trump and MAGA is making huge inroads with black and Latino voters. Are you even paying attention? [/quote]

You are continuing to demonstrate the shortcomings in contemporary political dialogue and the lack of critical thinking.

The American Nazi Party platform historically included racist and white nationalist - but not exclusively.  That is why I said their tactics and rhetoric closely resembled each other, I didn’t say their ideology or their policy goals were 100% aligned (I was actually silent on this fact).  In addition, I characterized MAGA being “near fascist” on the political spectrum by making a comparison to the American Nazi Party, but specifically said that wasn’t the only appropriate comparison to fascist movements.

As for inroads with minority populations, I purposefully did not say MAGA is “racist” since MAGA hasn’t made objectively racist statements (though it is an objective statement to say elements of the coalition supporting MAGA are racist).  I also didn’t say MAGA is “sexist” because this isn’t an objective fact supported by primary sources of their leaders (though subjectively, many do conclude MAGA is sexist).

But, for the record, as a hypothetical if more and more black people supported the KKK, it wouldn’t make the KKK any less racist. But, in this case, since I didn’t allege MAGA is racist, noting that more blank people are supporting MAGA is superfluous.

As for Latinos increasingly supporting MAGA, I did call MAGA xenophobic.  Objectively, xenophobia has been demonstrated to be a major part of the MAGA platform.  And, I would only note that the Latinos who support MAGA could be doing so specifically because of the xenophobic elements of the party platform.  Perhaps some are doing so because they like increased tariffs on China or because they like MAHA/RFK Jr.  But just because Latinos support it, it doesn’t erase the primary source material indicating that MAGA is in fact xenophobic.

My opinion is that Democrats have long misunderstood minority communities (seemingly treating them monolithically) and have unsuccessfully played identity politics.  It’s my observation that minority groups appear to select their votes based on a much more complicated matrix of values/considerations than a single litmus test of who is more/less racist.

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“ I said their tactics and rhetoric closely resembled each other, I didn’t say their ideology or their policy goals were 100% aligned “

A perfect example of why regular people are ditching the Dem party of elite know it alls like you.

You intentionally compared MAGAs to Nazis for impact and now are walking it back on semantics. It’s slimy and normal people hate it.

I have a masters degree and have years of experience being around well-educated fools who believe everything the NYT tells them.

OP should read the NYT only if they also read the WSJ. To be truly unbiased you need to consider materials coming from across the political spectrum. 
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