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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Of course it is real.  There is evidence everywhere.

Besides raising boys to respect females as equal, to have and exy the range of feelings (including fear and tears), to seek consent before touching another else’s body for your own gratification , they need time role models who live this way.

That means dads who also care for children and [b]women who contribute to society outside the home,  and contribute to their household financially.[/b][/quote]

Please explain how the rather misogynist sentiment expressed in bold helps dissuade toxic masculinity.[/quote]
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Boys with moms who work outside the home are more likely to participate in household chores and treating women as equals. Boys with sahms are more likely to expect certain things as ‘women’s jobs’ like cleaning, cooking and child rearing. So yeah actually what pp says is true, being a working mom is a helpful step in interrupting boxing masculinity. [/quote]

Maybe working moms make everyone do chores to get the housework done, and that SAH moms can assign chores and achieve the same thing. It's the parents not expecting kids to do their share of housework that's the problem.

Besides, in this area- how many hired house cleaners are women? There's an example of a group of grown women doing housework that the kids interpret as not worthy of their time or their parents' time.
In this area? [/quote]

This is the shitty thing about suggestions to counter toxic masculinity, so many of them put the blame and/or onus on women (if women sah they are perpetuating it etc). I think women heavily contribute but we talk more about what women can do than what men can.

Idk if this is “correct” but I’m raising 3 boys and what I’ve always tried to reiterate is that while we may code things as “female” and “male” the masculine coded things aren’t inherently more respectable or important than the “female” coded things.

We don’t exist is a vacuum so I don’t expect them to ignore that these social norms or cultural expectations exist but I think believing that the things women are associated with are worth less and don’t deserve respect is a huge issue that contributes to a toxic display of masculinity. [/quote]

This is my thought process as well.  I think a lot of women who think they are empowered and progressive are often unintentionally misogynistic, in that they are the chief de-valuers of stereotypically or traditionally female pursuits.[/quote]

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