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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.[/quote]

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.[/quote]

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on. [/quote]

NP. I used to think of the left as the pro-science political faction. I truly believed that the Democrats respected science, unlike the Republicans. Then came two seminal events: Covid and gender ideology. PP accurately laid out the Covid shibboleths pushed by the left even in the face of grave and mounting evidence of the lack of scientific support. For gender ideology, the left adopted a faith-based, deeply religious ideology and medicalized it into the care of some of most vulnerable people in the country. What the left has done in the name of gender ideology in particular to some of the most vulnerable children out there is going to be recognized as a profound scandal in 50 years. Actually, the evidence of harm is already there, but in keeping with the antiscience bent of the current left, politicians on the left are desperately scrambling to prevent that discussion.

Now I don’t believe either party is the pro-science and pro-truth party. Not the Democrats, certainly not the Republicans. They are all just selling a belief system that’s designed to keep their grift going. Science and truth are irrelevant to both of them. [/quote]

I think you are conflating the crazy media environment we live in for what the majority of people actually believe.

Covid was a nightmare we were unprepared for.   I do think mistakes were made, but I imagine if the GOP had not created the environment we live in now, one where every mistake or admission of error is SEIZED upon and twisted by their propaganda machines, the way the Covid situation played out would have been very different.  If we would have come together as a country like we did in WW2, imagine how different the conversations and responses would have been.  Instead, we have come to a place where people dig in instead of seriously discussing subjects with appropriate nuance.  The Dems can't win in this situation.  If they try to have the nuanced conversation or acknowledge a mistake and try to learn from it, the GOP media will use it against them.  If they won't acknowledge mistakes, the GOP media will use it against them.  Meanwhile, the GOP hypocrites never acknowledge their own mistakes and continue to project their maleficence onto others.

I blame the GOP and their no-compromise, winner-takes-all attitude and willingness to bend every truth where we find ourselves.  Social media has only helped them with this.[/quote]

I haven't heard any admitting mistakes. They won't say the word. It's always, "We acted on the best available information at the time."[/quote]

Because lawsuits.[/quote]

This is absolute absurdity. These are government officials. Lawsuits are not an issue.

The fact is that the Democratic politicians who championed explicitly anti-science positions and policies with respect to Covid did it for electoral reasons, and they don’t want to anger their donors by speaking scientific truth. That’s why they speak scientific falsehoods. It’s the same as the climate-change denying Republican politicians who know climate change is real but who don’t want to anger their big oil donors. They are morally the same. [/quote]

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