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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Class size matters. Public per pupil funding does not support small class sizes. Charters and vouchers fail for the same reason [/quote]

There are very large classes in China, Korea and other Asian countries. It doesn’t seem to affect their education![/quote]

China and Japan, I mean. Their average class sizes are far greater than in the U.S. but their students are out performing ours on most measures!

I’m not sure why Americans are so focused on small class size as an indicator of education quality.[/quote]

The culture in China, Korea, and Japan is far different.

The schools there have no qualms about leaving you behind.  There is no compulsory high school in those three countries.  In Japan and China you have to pass a test to get into high school, and your future is bleak if you can't get in.  That has two effects.  The weak students are gone by high school, and the students are serious in their studies by middle school.  Korea is a bit different in that almost every kid can get into a high school, but everyone is trying to get into the specialized high schools.  Your chances of getting into a top university is very low unless you attend an elite high school, so it leads to the same competitive pressure.

In terms of the classrooms themselves, the teacher does no differentiation.  You are responsible for yourself, and you either keep up or you fail.  That is why cram schools are so ubiquitous in those countries.  The parents are afraid of their kids falling behind.  There is also no tolerance for disrespect.  Your peers will look down on you, and your parents will punish you.

Given the conditions it's easy to see why those countries can have large class sizes.  The teacher does not need to accommodate anyone and classroom behavior is easily enforced.

It's not something America can pull off.[/quote]

Compare the success of the Asian systems with the US in 2024:

- we increasingly refuse to suspend or expel teen students no matter how disruptive they are or how detrimental their behavior is to the students around them.

Why are we tolerating the few truly troublesome kids who ruin education for the entire class?

In what way is that fair?  [/quote]

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