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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Stay away from religious freaks. They cannot think for themselves. [/quote]

Or maybe they have and just reached a different conclusion from you and want to offer you the chance to live in that joy.

But you know….potayyyto/potahhhto[/quote]
No. Stop. If someone is not interested in your religion you need to back off.

I seriously hope OPs DH cuts off the religious freak parents. This thread has shown so few can actually be rational (and thank you to those who were!).[/quote]

Your stance on this summarizes the problem with our country right now. Liberals used to be the ones advocating for people’s right to speak their opinion at the top of their lungs no matter what it us! In fact, Aaron Sorkin, when writing the famous pivotal speech for the fictitious Democrat President Andrew Shephard in the movie An American President, was hammering home an ACLU talking point emohasizjng: “You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.”
But I no longer recognize the liberal left of that era. At present, neither the ACLU nor any other group that used to identify themselves as “liberal Democrats” appear to be able to tolerate anyone expressing viewpoints that are not in complete alignment with their own.
It’s quite the shift.[/quote]
You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of free speech. You have a right to free speech. You do not have a right to an audience of me or my kids. You are not free from consequence of that speech (in this case, being cut off).

I am all for people speaking their opinion. I don't care if someone burns a flag. Doesn't mean I have to listen to trumpers spewing garbage against the govt, or JK Rowling hating on trans kids or religious freaks trying to indocrinate my children. [/quote]

+1000

Just like I'm free to stand up in a theater and yell "fire".  However, I'm not free from the consequences of that action.

Same for me screaming "kill the president".  I'm completely free to scream that in a public place.  However, it also most likely means the Secret Service will be following up and might take me into custody and/or arrest me and charge me with a crime.

Actions  have consequences.

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Your examples aren't the same. PP said you can speak freely but aren't shielded from consequence. People have a legal right to speak their opinions, but others don't need to make space for or respect those opinions.

Yelling "Fire" in a theater or verbally threatening the president are subject to legal prosecution. These aren't distasteful opinions. Your description of "being free to" really only applies to being able to do these things in a real, physical sense.[/quote]

Okay, so you are free to say whatever you want in the presence of me and my family.  We are then free to say "please don't talk like that, it's offensive.  If you choose to continue to do that in our presence then you will not be invited to spend time with us" 
It's the same thing.  You are free to do lots of things, but there are consequences (on different levels) for each action.

However, if you believe in subjecting you and your kids to verbal abuse, then you are free to do so.  Many would chose otherwise.

I can have discussions with friends and family about things that we differ in our beliefs.  However, it has to be respectful on both sides.  If you start telling me and my family we are going to burn in hell if we don't do X, then it is no longer respectful.

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