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When an overwhelming majority, staggeringly overwhelming majority, of higher income, higher net worth people own, not rent, that tells you something. Not a coincidence. 
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It tells me they’re not too concerned about what the optimal financial move might be, because they can easily afford to own and they want to own so who cares?

What does it tell you?[/quote]

Not PP. There is no free lunch. [b]Landlords pass on the cost of PITI plus a profit margin to the renter. [/b]People who rent and save vs. bying are typically renting much less space or worse amenities. I don’t think housing is a great investment, but you do have to live somewhere and pay for shelter. Also, a house is bought on leverage so for a 400k down payment the house has to appreciate by 30k a year to beat the market long term. And yes $2M houses have  appreciated a lot more than 30k annually. I consider PITI the sunk cost of providing for shelter, no different than rent. [/quote]

I[b]f the landlord of the SFH bought during 3% mortgage rates, he/she can charge rent that's a lot lower than what you will pay to buy using today's rates.[/b] In the neighborhoods I'm looking at, you can rent a home that is worth around 2M for 10K a month. The PITI for a 2M house is a little more than 13K, which means I save 36K in a year from just renting than owning. Sure your 2M house might appreciate more than 30K this year, but my 400K down payment pretty much earned 30K just in 2024 YTD in the stock market. When you include the 36K in savings, it's a no brainer. That's why, right now, it's better to rent than to buy.

I find it odd that posters here think that people won't be able to help themselves but to spend the 36K rent versus mortgage difference on trivial things, rather than to invest it. Maybe you're right, but that person probably never had a shot at saving 400K for the downpayment anyways. And if you are the type of person who could save up 400K, you probably can figure out how to use 36K/year in annual savings effectively.[/quote]

Terrible argument. Landlords are business people, they don't charge what they can afford to charge, they charge what the market will bear based on supply and demand. They also rely on the stream of income. If their personal costs go up due to inflation, they are raising rents by at least that %. That's why Rents in the US have increased by 6-7% post Covid. [/quote]

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