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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A little confused at why this is in the politics forum.  [/quote]

Because the solution to this problem is political. And the shooters were very likely ginned up by politicos and charlatans exercising rightwing conspiracy speech.[/quote]

Or people could not shoot other people.

Nobody has to shoot up a crowd of innocent people. Individuals can choose to follow laws and not harm other people. That’s a great solution: don’t harm other people. [/quote]

If wishes were horses beggars would ride. [/quote]

So your position is that people are always going to harm/kill other people? Humans don’t have the capacity to stop themselves from shooting other innocent people?

I don’t shoot innocent people, do you?

I don’t have the slightest desire to shoot anyone.[/quote]

Sure. What’s your solution for making sure people who DO want to shoot someone don’t get their hands on weapons?[/quote]

We have many laws to prevent that; people don’t follow those laws.

What’s your solution to stop people who don’t follow our laws?[/quote]

There are many more laws and actions that could stem the contagion. But then again, the GOP doesn't care about sch things on any level. They want the chaos, no matter the price.[/quote]

We have laws against rape, murder, theft, kidnapping, child abuse, assault, etc, and those crimes are committed every day. The GOP doesn’t make people break the law.[/quote]
Imagine that certain companies sold devices that helped you rape more people or kidnap more people. Now imagine that organizations dedicated to maximizing the profits of these companies directed so much money to GOP elected officials that any legislation meant to decrease the number of rapes and kidnappings caused by these devices was completely out of the question, despite the fact that a majority of voters favor such legislation.[/quote]

Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but it also has one of the highest murder rates. This is because criminals don’t obey the law, and therefore gun control laws only affect law-abiding citizens who are left helpless to defend themselves.

Gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Your argument is not based in reality. Guns are not tools of rape or murder, they are not evil or harmful. They don’t fire themselves at innocent people. They don’t kill innocent people or don’t hurt anyone, at all. You could be locked in a room with hundreds of handguns and AR15s and thousands of rounds of ammo and you would not be harmed by a single gun. It’s criminals who use guns against already existing laws that kill people, shoot people, harm people. Being hysterically opposed to guns because they are guns is not rational.

The 14th amendment says that all people are to be treated equally under the law. Under the “individual right theory," the United States Constitution restricts legislative bodies from prohibiting firearm possession, or at the very least, the Amendment renders prohibitory and restrictive regulation presumptively unconstitutional.

So even though you think gun are[b] “tools”[/b] to kill people, and the solution is to pass laws to restrict the right of people to own guns, it’s not possible. [/quote]

Umm..they are tools--very, very effective ones.[/quote]

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