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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You guys are nuts. This is an issue facing many, many nations. It isn't about religion or Evangelicals. It's about resources any nation needs, no different from gas or food.

China's population freakout:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/international/4299666-chinas-dystopian-population-goals-forced-procreation-and-industrialized-births/amp/

Korea: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp%3fnewsIdx=362679

Europe: https://www.ft.com/content/c11ef0af-717b-4266-817d-533426363aa7

Even NPR can discuss this issue from a practical standpoint and without being convinced it's a scheme by religious fantatics: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/11/03/141943008/when-governments-pay-people-to-have-babies

Fertility rates are a thing that are closely tracked for economic and security reasons. On DCUM, if you bring this up, you get a mixture of denial that the US has declining fertility, accusations of racism that have no basis since the color of the baby is immaterial to the overall rate, and accusations that this is all a scheme by Evangelicals. You all need to study up on this topic if you insist on talking about it. I wrote my masters thesis on it like 15 years ago; it's an actual issue that many, many countries have enacted policies to address. And yes, as much as people don't want to admit it, making abortion illegal IS one possible approach to increasing birth. Just like when China mandated abortions under the one child policy.  [/quote]

+1 My DC is studying this in AP Human Geography right now.[/quote]

Making abortion illegal REDUCES birth rates overall

so many people have only linear first order thinking

When you make abortion illegal, men and women are more reticent to f**k in oecd countries.

If you want to increase birth rates, you have to keep abortion legal but reduce years/intensity of schooling

The collapse in birth rates in the us comes from 16-24 year olds not having kids like they did in the 80s and 90s 
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Infant mortality has already increased since Roe v Wade.

Forcing women to have babies may mean you have fewer babies in the long run: once the mother is forced to carry a baby that will die upon birth, will she really want to have another baby?

[b]In the US, all it would take to increase the birth rate is paid maternity and paternity leave for at least three months, plus affordable child care. [/b]

My dh and I decided not to adopt because...it was too expensive, over and above the actual childcare costs post adoption.[/quote]

No, this doesn’t work either. Euro countries have shown financial inducements don’t really move the needle.

The single best method to boost birth rates (it will never happen but it’s true) is banning women from going to school after 10th grade.

Keep abortion, keep access to birth control etc etc, financial inducements like you suggest help slightly at the margins but by far the [b]biggest lever is how long girls are sitting their butts in a classroom [/b]

Now I don’t happen to agree with that “solution” but that’s really what really drives firtikitubrate [/quote]

Or how about teaching men to be equal partners? Teaching men how to be a good dad and actually participate in household chores and caring for others?[/quote]

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