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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How old are the kids? I’ve got a 4 year old who seems to be a constant harbinger of disease. Not sure if the pandemic messed up her immune development or what, but these last two years in preschool have been brutal. Even catching less than half of what she’s brought home has led to my sickest year to date.

Broadly agree with others that you should focus on productivity. Trust me, I personally would much rather be at the office than home sick yet again. If in office matters, have him or her try to make it up. I do. [/quote]

It’s self evident in office doesn’t matter

8 in office days out if 60![/quote]

I disagree. I manage a team of 15 people in a department of 110 and we all worked remote 80% pre-pandemic. We didn’t do all the video calls and Zoom happy hours and other goody stuff because we assumed we knew how to work from home already. Except we would go into the office 1 day a week. Life happens, kids get sick, people have planned PTO. People probably ended up coming in 3x a month.

Fast forward 9-12 months and things started falling apart. People complain they feel disconnected and not engaged on HR surveys - yet all the free lunch, fancy coffee, and happy hours in the world won’t bring them back to the office face to face to build connections. Personally I think once a week is the sweet spot, but even one day a month makes a huge difference in personal interactions and feeling engaged with your work. 
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You are blaming WFH and less RTO on people’s disengagement, when many surveys have shown people are more stressed in general and less satisfied about work overall, regardless of how they work. It’s likely people on your team are dealing with new realities (perhaps seeing how badly their schools are doing for kids, maybe they moved some place with new challenges) and value your work less because of a evaluation when faced with their own mortality. [/quote]

I’m a manager of 75 employees and I also blame WFH for our disengagement. It’s been a huge hit to productivity and any feeling of engagement to our work or workplace, according to multiple surveys of our employees over the last few years. I would bring people back a few days a week if I could, right now we limp along with 1 day a week in the office.[/quote]

God you clueless middle managers.

People are disengaged from work because we have changed our value system. We no longer sacrifice so much on the alter of work because we see how disposable we are. We value time with family more, and to live better and make better choices, and not grind and die without joy. It has nothing to do with WFH and fake work comradarie — we know we are a team not a family and can be cut any time and you really don’t give a fig about any of your reports except how it impacts your bonus. Making everyone dredge into work won’t return us to the same world where we driven by fear and ambition to chase success above family, because we know it won’t be there in the end but family will be. [/quote]

Have you ever managed anyone? Do you know how hard it is to get the work done when your employees are hard to reach during the work day and really don’t care about their work? I also care about my family but it’s not so hard to actually travel to my office on occasion to do my job, that’s why they pay me. I often wonder if they people on the jobs forum who advocate for laziness are the same people on the money forum who are complaining that they can’t make enough to buy a house, feels like there is a strong correlation.[/quote]

I work remotely but am reachable by phone every moment except when I’m in the bathroom (and sometimes do text from there). People can be in the office and not respond to, be hidden away at the cafe or loo, so you have a different problem.

I do manage people, and we provide work phones and have a 15 minute response to any phone call in their performance plane (so they have a documented expectation and penalty if unreachable).

As for people not caring, I’m sure that’s a pay problem — no one works for free so if they are unmotivated it’s likely because it’s lackluster comp for a meaningless BS job. Either bolster the meaning of the mission of the work or pay more if you want them to “care”. You only care because your bonus is on the line. [/quote]

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