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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]SOLs are not hard enough to use as a proof of TJ’s lack of decline.[/quote]

What do you mean? I'm not a TJ booster but tell me that this is not meaningful:

Ranking by PASS ADVANCED RATE

Math

1	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	53.13
2	Langley High	26.05
3	Madison High	24.53
4	Chantilly High	23.66
5	Woodson High	21.05
6	Lake Braddock Secondary	19.74
7	McLean High	18.58
8	Oakton High	17.01
9	Centreville High	14.04
10	Robinson Secondary	13.58

English

1	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	93.62
2	Langley High	58.82
3	Madison High	51.15
4	Oakton High	50.83
5	McLean High	50.78
6	Woodson High	47.51
7	West Springfield High	44.84
8	Chantilly High	44.21
9	Marshall High	43.4
10	South Lakes High	38.7

Science

1	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	57.63	Science
2	Marshall High	31.36	
3	Oakton High	30.01	
4	Langley High	29.1	
5	Woodson High	27.55	
6	McLean High	25.67	
7	West Springfield High	24.19	
8	Chantilly High	22.96	
9	Centreville High	17.46	
10	Madison High	16.45

And ranking by PASS RATE

Math

1	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	99.04
2	Woodson High	92.63
3	Langley High	92.53
4	West Springfield High	92.34
5	Madison High	91.51
6	Oakton High	90.53
7	Marshall High	89.92
8	McLean High	87.17
9	Robinson Secondary	86.03
10	Lake Braddock Secondary	85.52

English

1	Langley High	98.82
2	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	98.41
3	West Springfield High	96.56
4	Woodson High	95.83
5	McLean High	95.67
6	Marshall High	95.4
7	Oakton High	94.44
8	Madison High	93.7
9	Centreville High	93.29
10	Chantilly High	92.85

Science

1	Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	100
2	Langley High	95.26
3	Woodson High	90.96
4	Oakton High	90.69
5	West Springfield High	90.48
6	McLean High	86.88
7	Marshall High	85.55
8	Chantilly High	85.46
9	Madison High	85.37
10	Robinson Secondary	84.5

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Interesting to see the Pass Advanced Rate results for TJ from before Covid:

2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	English:Reading	59.14
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	English:Writing	96.61
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	History and Social Science	76.32
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	Mathematics	91.35
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology	Science	89.83[/quote]

Indeed it is interesting, although to be fair, you don't want to simply compare TJ to itself but compare TJs' slide to the slides of other schools. If you look at McLean's pass rates now, for example, they aren't what you'd expect for a top pyramid school. I had to recheck the data to make sure it wasn't an error. [/quote]
While the county as a whole suffered losses, some schools didnt suffer as much as TJ in Math and Science where pass advance rates were essentially cut by 50% while a school like woodson was cut by 25% or even less when considering science. This wasnt the case for all schools though.

2018-2019 - Woodson High	Mathematics - 28.71
2018-2019 - Woodson High	Science - 32.97

2022-2023 - Woodson High	Mathematics - 20.96
2022-2023 - Woodson High	Science - 27.55

All that to say that a school like TJ would seem to be more likely to resist losses better than regular schools not worse.

Also interesting was, and this isnt scientific, but looking at the year over year, TJs pass advanced rate continues to drop from 2019 to current vs other schools who dropped in 2020 and then shot back up. [/quote]

I posted on this above. It's true some dropped more or less than others but TJ isn't alone in dropping as much as it did (and, conversely, in increasing its English reading pass advanced rate). McLean dropped in math and science by 41% and 34%, respectively, while TJ did at 42% and 36%. Madison and Langley barely dropped in math.

Why attribute it to the schools though? What matters is what happened when schools weren't doing their job.  I suspect this is much less likely to be about TJ (or McLean) than about how families in particular demographics addressed their kids' learning needs during and post pandemic. [/quote]

Remember, SOL requirements changed.  Years ago students took SOLs in Algebra, Geometry and Alg2.  This means more tests were taken in high school and pass rates were higher.  Now they take one and are done.  The only students in my Alg 2 classes that take the SOL are 9th graders or students who just moved here from another state.  This is why the overall math pass rate is down.  Stronger students don’t continue to take them after passing 1 test.  [/quote]

I don't understand why more tests would mean higher pass rates. Do you mean because they were more used to being tested frequently and more prepared? Also, this is a very naive q but when you look at math SOL scores does this basically lump SOLs in Alg1, Alg2, and Geometry?  [/quote]

SOLs are not that difficult for the majority of students to pass in HS, considering they can even use Desmos now.  If they take Alg 1 in 9th and pass it they are done.  Previously, the kid would take 3 SOLs for all 3 subjects- Alg, Geom and Alg 2.

Let’s say they take Geometry as a 9th grader.  That’s the only SOL they take.

Let’s say they take Alg 2 as an 8th grader, then they substitute the PSAT in high school and never take an SOL in high school math.

Then there are kids who struggle and take the Alg 1 SOL multiple times to pass.  This happens because some have disabilities or are new to this country.  Each fail is counted in to the percentage. This is why the overall math percentage everywhere is lower.  Certain schools have fewer students in this category.

Yes, it’s all counted as math.  [/quote]

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