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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Post story - the kid was initially being treated at a university hospital, not a private clinic

I am willing to actually look at scientific data from other countries, but if the child receives a sufficient amount of psychological testing/therapy and after that time, the docs and parents all agree that medical transition is warranted, why should the state be stepping in?[/quote]

If there is not sufficient medical evidence to justify the protocol of care recommended by the doctors, the state has an interest in protecting children from medical care that is harmful. The state regulates many aspects of medical care, with higher scrutiny applied to care provided to children. The state [i]should[/i] have an interest in protecting children from harmful or incorrect medical care. This used to in fact be a core tenet of liberals, who pushed for increased regulation of medical care provided to children after some horrific scandals in the past. Why the left has abandoned its principles of care for children on this one issue is beyond me, but it has.

And what is happening globally is that there is increasing evidence that standards of care for children recommended by organizations like WPATH are not supported by evidence, leading to retrenchment and in some cases complete reversal of care guidelines around the world. When this happens globally, but US medical bodies are ignoring the increasing pile of evidence of harm, the state should step in. This is not an outrageous position.

All that having been said, I’m not in favor of a complete ban. It’s too extreme, there probably are some cases where medicalization is appropriate, and it’s too blunt of an instrument. But it’s clear that the US is increasingly isolated in its approach to gender affirmative care, and the evidence needs systematic review. [/quote]

I am somewhat skeptical, but again, willing to see what other countries and medical communities are finding.

I’m not against regulations for the protection of children, but Rs have been such vicious a-holes for so many years, it is hard to believe they are actually doing this out of concern and following science vs pure bigotry and hatred[/quote]

Both can be true. The Rs can be (are) acting out of pure bigotry and hate, and yet the science supporting medicalized gender affirmative care for children can be (is) deeply flawed.

You should not let your partisanship blind you so much that you are not willing to ask even basic questions about the standards of care or examine the strengths and weaknesses of the evidence for youth medicalized care. That sort of dogmatic and willful blindness is how we got into this very problematic situation in the first place.[/quote]

DP. The problem with “asking basic questions” makes people think they know best, better than doctors, parents.

You can opt to not have an opinion on it. It really isn’t that difficult. [/quote]

I don’t know when the left became so blindly dogmatic and intellectually incurious but it’s so sad to watch. The left I used to know and love wouldn’t leave stones unturned if they thought children were possibly being severely harmed by the medical system, especially when there is growing hard evidence of exactly that. Now they literally tell people not to have opinions and not to ask questions on the subject. It’s tragic. [/quote]

That’s what happens when you politicize medical care. Did you want to do the same for the leprosy problem in Florida too?

I’m opting out of your stupid, f-n game. [/quote]

So, let me get this straight. You don’t want to ask any questions at all about the current protocols of medicalized transition for children in the US — despite growing international consensus that the US protocol of care is both wrong and harmful — because you are mad that the Republicans politicized abortion? Is that what you mean? That you will blindly accept literally anything the Democrats support in healthcare because abortion?

I’m sorry, but that is one of the most pathetic things I’ve read in a long, long time. Just use your head for once. Try it.

I’m very pro-choice. And I also look at the growing international evidence of the harms of medicalized youth transition—which are well-documented by rational experts abroad—and I think the US has a very serious problem. What we are doing here is medically wrong, and it’s hurting children. I can be both pro-choice [i]and[/i] look at scientific evidence of something “my side” is pushing and say it’s wrong and hurting children. [/quote]

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