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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world. [/quote]

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager.  Cruelty.[/quote]

But... free will????    I don't get it, and never will.  It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and  a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it.  And there isn't an excuse.   No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it.    Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it.     It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me.   (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings). 
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Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission.   I can't wrap my head around that.  "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

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There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life. [/quote]

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get.  I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully.  But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible?  [b]And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?  [/b]

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well.  So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through.  But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently.  That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.  [/quote]

That, right there.   That's the crux of it for me.  [/quote]

+1.  Me too.  And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment.  Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered.  And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all.  So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .  [/quote]

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