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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anything we can do to break away from the rule of the RNC and DNC will be good for America in the long term. Enough is enough. The efficiency and effectiveness of our Federal Government has suffered enough. Wake up folks.[/quote]
Read the whole thread. No Labels are just Republicans pretending to do what you want.[/quote]
A thread that includes comments from a few that get it and the rest just duped Fox News and MSNBC viewers is a thread that has to be taken with a grain of salt.[/quote]
It’s No Labels trying to dupe everyone and here you are just trying to fall for it?[/quote]
Ok, well you just keep voting for Trumps and Bidens. What could go wrong? God help us[/quote]

Voting for No Labels is voting for Trump. You may believe there's no difference between Trump and Biden but you'd be incredibly wrong and ignorant. [/quote]
Yes, RNC and DNC messaging is geared towards creating fear in the minds of their sheep so that they stay in line... "don't even think of voting for anyone but our candidate or else the world will end! Don't worry about our candidate being clearly not the best person for the job, fear, fear, fear".... Stop being a sheep[/quote]
What are you doing to support ranked choice voting, which will actually make a difference and improve this situation?[/quote]
I support ranked choice voting. Anything that gives the people a little more say in who has a chance of getting nominated and elected is a win for this country. Here are some scary numbers that we must try to not repeat in 2024- Over 155 million people were duped into or felt forced to vote for Trump and Biden in 2020. Over 98% of Americans that voted in the 2020 general election cast their vote for Trump or Biden. This data is scary and must not be repeated.[/quote]
I did not feel like I was forced to vote for one or the other, I happily chose. You’re assuming and remember what that makes you.[/quote]

Exactly! There are people out there riding around with Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris bumper stickers and then there are those folks with signs in their yards. Pitiful stuff. Hard to believe anyone could be that excited about these candidates but then again, all brains weren't created equally.[/quote]
You’re not choosing a spouse, you’re deciding whether to get on a bus that goes forward or one that goes backward. Get over yourself.[/quote]
At this point, voters are either kicking a can down the road or making tough decisions to break away from their political bubble comfort zones for the long term health of our country. Trump and Biden as individuals are short term problems that won't be around much longer (and yes, trump is a much bigger problem); the growing power and influence of a relatively small network of people running the RNC and DNC is the biggest long term problem this country faces. We must force these entities into massive reformation or complete dissolution asap. Anything else is just kicking the can down the road while our Federal Government gets weaker and weaker. A vote for Trump or Biden is kicking the can down the road. Yes, this truth hurts.[/quote]
While you're correct about political party reform being a necessity for the long term health of the country, I can certainly understand how many voters would view the short term Trump problem as a greater concern in the 2024 general election in which case makes voting for Biden or anyone else with a pulse that the DNC nominates a no-brainer choice. I wouldn't fault a voter thinking long term by not casting a vote for an RNC or DNC candidate and I also wouldn't fault a voter for casting a vote for Biden just to make sure Trump isn't elected. It's a sad predicament for voters to be in. I do find fault with anyone still smoking the Trump crack.[/quote]
If the GOP gets back into power, with the assistance of the likes of No Labels, the continued existence of the United States is not a guarantee. Voting for Trump or whatever garbage third party candidates there are isn’t thinking long term. If Clinton had gotten into office we wouldn’t be debating about whether or not we should let women die in hospital parking lots until their embryo is sufficiently dead. [/quote]
True but once Trump is out of the picture, we'll still have the RNC/DNC mess to deal with at some point. [/quote]
I think you’re missing my larger point. If you’re still, somehow, honestly equating the Republican Party with the Democratic Party, you are part of the problem. It’s like having two kids, a serial killer and a kid with autism, and blaming them equally for societal problems. [/quote]
The Republican and Democratic Parties are one thing and the RNC and DNC are another. There is no "equating" as that isn't applicable in this case. The traditional values of the Republican and Democratic parties have never been our problem. The RNC and DNC have run amok with their money, power, and influence to the extent that they are no longer providing anything of value in our election process. They have created an atmosphere where our best and brightest no longer have any interest in entering the political arena. For example, when was the last time we had a newly elected president that by any reasonable measure made sense as someone fit, well-qualified, and ready for the job? The 1990s! Our last 4 newly elected presidents- son of a former president, one term senator, Trump, and a person 20 years past their political prime. This is not acceptable. I challenge anyone to come up with a rational explanation of how these four most recent newly elected presidents could possibly have been anywhere close to the best options as leaders of the most powerful country in the world at the time they were elected? The system isn't working very well under the rule of the RNC and DNC. It just isn't. Step out of the political bubble that encapsulates you long enough to see the big picture for what it is. Yes, everything about Trump and his political era has been god awful but he is only drop or two in a large bucket of systemic political issues we are currently faced with. [/quote]

The RNC has an agreement with Donald Trump and the Trump campaign that joins them at them hip and inexchange the RNC also pays for Trump's legal bills. So it forces the policitians in the party fealty to Trump and Trumpism.

The RNC also takes unlimited money from select billionaires who also, apparently have purchased Supreme Court seats trhough their support of shady non-profits as well as select Senators like Mitch McConnell.

The DNC has done no such thing, but equating the two in your minds has given you the "they all do it" attitude that is even worse for our country, because you have taken critical thinking out of the equation and listened to the BS.

Equating what you admit is horrible about Trumpism with the platform of the left, which features better working conditions, healthcare, clean air, clean water, the abilty for women to manage their bodies is a false equivalence that cannot be matched.[/quote]
Again, no "equating" and our problems aren't as simple as the right vs left and us vs them mentality Fox News and MSNBC have successfully cast upon many of us. You have to step back to look at out political landscape over the past 20 to 25 years without hyperfocusing on our Trumpism problem. Weakness across the board, both sides and in the middle, in our political system is how Trump came to power. If the RNC and DNC were functioning at a high level, Trump would never made it to the primary debate stage. Our two party system is no longer working well due to the two private entities that have taken complete control of it. Acknowledging this situation doesn't mean that you're lumping certain politicians, parties, or platforms together as if they are equally awful when they're not. 
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Yes, you can trace this back to a few things

1) Newt Gingrich and his distortions around "the contract for America"
2) legalized gerrymandering where politicians (mostly on the right but not all) choose their voters
3) Citizens United that allowed billionaires to buy elections
4) Reagan undoing the "fairness doctrine" which leveled a certain impartiality in our airwaves/media

I am sure there are others but...

If you were TRULY interested in what you posted, then you would support getting unaccountable money out of politics and particularly dark money PACs, ranked voting and independent state commissions drawing political boundaries, mostly by computers using the compact space doctrine. You would also support the Wyoming Rule that would expand the size of the House of Representatives and bring back the "one person, one vote" that is woefully missing in our representation.

These are all things Democrats support. Where are the republicans whom you equate on these issues? Hint...nowhere.[/quote]
Again, no equating and "Democrats" and "Republicans" aren't the root of our political problems. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were both viable, respectable candidates for Democratic nomination in 2016. Their supporters had every leg to stand on for choosing to support either candidate. The candidates, their platforms, and their supporters were all in line and not problematic in the mind of any reasonable person. Where does the problem come in? That would be the DNC using their money, power, and influence, to stack the odds in Hillary's favor as she had been groomed for many years as their choice for the 2016 candidate. Should the DNC or RNC's roles in elections be to rule certain candidates in and rule some out or should their roles be to create an open and fair playing field for the best of the best candidates to be chosen by the primary voting public? Easy answer as far as I am concerned. Considering what the DNC did to Bernie in 2016, why would anyone in their right mind choose to waste their time and money entering the race for the Democratic nomination in 2024 against the DNC's pre-selected candidate? JFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson...haha. This is an example of how the shenanigans of the RNC and DNC are weakening our Federal Government. Biden is a decent man and not the worst option for president in 2024 by any means, even at 82 years old. That being said; Biden, Williamson, and JFK Jr. aren't the three best possible candidates for president the left can come up with for the 2024 race. No way. No how. What's stopping the left from coming up with a more formidable candidate- the DNC. Yes, the RNC and the some of the ridiculous coming from politicians on the right are noticeably more awful than anything coming from the left but reform is needed on both sides.... end of story. [/quote]
A lot going on here on this thread. What you say is true but Trump is Trump. We'll confront other political problems after he's gone.[/quote]
That’s the problem: Trump is the GOP. The GOP is Trump. One supports the other. Trump is not some weird aberration, he’s them. Trump sure didn’t find three dirty judges and he didn’t hold open Obama’s seat, although he did probably convince Kennedy to retire. Every problem that people attribute to Trump is also that of the Republican Party. Both parties are not equally bad.[/quote]

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