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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have spiritual lapses, but they don't happen from not going to church. More something that makes me question my faith. Usually what happens is something occurs that again makes me believe - a positive event.[/quote]

sounds like your faith is more dependent on what's happening in your life, than on belief in God[/quote]

Yeah. God never promised everything on earth would be peachy. He never promised every prayer would be answered in a way we would like. He never promised that we would always be happy here on earth.

I get it gets hard to keep going in times of crisis or when things get rough. But if you are a Christian and your goal is salvation, you have a goal that isn’t dependent on earthly situations and those situations can be viewed from your Christ centered perspective.

Not to discount suffering- it’s real. [/quote]

are you saying Christians should keep their eyes on the prize, i.e., salvation?[/quote]

I’m a NP but what I think is that suffering is what makes us grow and that growth brings us closer to salvation.

I think you should meditate on your suffering and ask god how will this bring you closer to god. Perhaps it makes you think money doesn’t make you happy… that could bring you closer to god. Not worshipping money. (Just an example)[/quote]

Are you saying that suffering is the only way to achieve salvation?   What if you're lucky -- or blessed. -- and you life doesn't involve much suffering, especially compared to other people -- does that mean you can't get close to god?   Why would god require people to suffer? Maybe because his son did?[/quote]

You are putting words in pp’s mouth.

There is only one way salvation, through Christ.

It doesn’t matter how much or little we suffer- God doesn’t require people to suffer.

People sure seem to like to cause their fellow man to suffer, though.

People cannot get enough of murdering their fellow man, raping their fellow man, stealing from their fellow man.

Everyday, we know hundreds of thousands of people are hurting their family, friends, strangers. [b]I wonder why people do those things to each other[/b]?[/quote]

they're exercising their God-given free will.  [/quote]

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