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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]W&M has the highest median parental income out of all public universities for a reason. Honestly, low and middle-income students shouldn't be attending W&M to begin with. LACs all tend to be specialized in graduate/professional school, which many low and middle income cannot go to without having parental support throughout ones 20's. The school doesn't have any engineering or tech-related majors (except CS), which are the ones that pay well with only a bachelors. It's too small and far away from major metros for many companies to recruit from, so many students get internships/jobs with parental networks. Plus it's easily the most expensive public at $40k/year for in-state. [/quote] W&M meets 100% of demonstrated financial need in state. Even more than UVA typically. My middle class friend's son only pays about 18k/yr total. Cheaper than any other major public he got accepted at.[/quote] Doesn't change the fact that it's geared towards professional/graduate schools, lacks recruitment due to it's small size, lacks the engineering/IT degrees that tend to be greatest movers from low/middle-income to high income with a bachelors, etc. Covering demonstrate need is great for low income, but not for middle income. Most middle-income families get donut holed.[/quote] Source for your assertion that it "lacks recruitment"? Being outside a major metro area does NOT keep interested employers away. You think recruiters don't go to UVA either? And business majors from W&M in particular do very well in the job market. [/quote] No, being a small school outside of major metros is what keeps recruiters away, because they don't bother. Of course the regional companies will still come, but the major ones often don't. [/quote] The data does not support your claim. They have some of the best placement outcomes--students graduating with jobs lined up then most (and def the other VA universities). They get kids internships in DC as well that they can do during their time at WM and have a DC semester program. I just attended a tour. They also said not applying ED is in no means held against a student. They offer the same number of offers RD and ED and they want kids to be sure they want to come.[/quote] Again, job placement does not mean that they got the job through the school, it is often through parental contacts especially for the first few internships. [quote]They also said not applying ED is in no means held against a student.[/quote] That's just not true, by virtue of college admissions being a zero-sum game. [/quote] You're so blindly pessimistic despite plenty of evidence contrary to your beliefs. If you don't want to send your child to W&M, don't, but that it's ridiculous to claim that anyone who isn't upper class should not go there. For lower and lower-middle class students it is by far the cheapest public college in the Commonwealth. Pell Grant students get a full ride. UVA is not worth another 40-50k of loans just for slightly better career placement.[/quote]
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