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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans.  The stories of regret are compelling.  [/quote]

So are the ones of the families and friends of people who committed suicide, or people who had to stay closeted because they feared for their safety if they transitioned openly.

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+1

Someone upthread said something sensible like perhaps there needs to be more stringent rules around this and I agree with that person.

But I also don’t trust the hateful people in the GOP to want to do anything even slightly supportive of LGBTQIA+. They don’t actually care about the children in these circumstances; if they did they wouldn’t try to turn up the anti-trans temperature with everything they do.[/quote]

You are missing the huge numbers of traditionally left-leaning people deeply concerned about what is happening to young people in gender clinics today.  This whistle blower, herself married to a transman, who couldn’t take it anymore and left her job at a gender clinic and is now speaking out.  This isn’t and shouldn’t be a left-right issue.  https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids[/quote]
It shouldn’t be political, no. But show me a single example of a Republican acting in good faith towards the entire LGBTQIA+ population, excluding those who have children in that population. They don’t. This isn’t a movement to save children from irreparable harm, this is another move by Republicans to make life as a trans person more dangerous. That’s all. You ascribe different motivations based on your feelings about Republicans.

And for the record, I am a deep blue Democrat who violates the predominant beliefs and doesn’t believe that trans people are the sex they want to be, but I’m also aware enough to treat each and every trans person with respect. I just don’t think the GOP cares a whit about children. They don’t. [/quote]

And I don’t care about the motivations of people on the right.  Children are being harmed by the current “affirmative-only” approach to transgender issues.  I am not the only traditionally left-leaning person who thinks people have lost their minds on this issue.  We are sacrificing a generation of our brightest, quirkiest, most-sensitive girls who in another time would have been goth or emo or cutters or anorexics, and telling them they were born in the wrong body and can be fixed with hormones and surgery.  This is not okay.  Pharmaceutical companies are getting rich because a bunch of well-meaning leftists can’t fathom agreeing with someone across the aisle.  Open your eyes to the medical abomination that is happening right now. Children cannot consent to these treatments.  This is not okay.  [/quote]

So do you (and any other liberals who oppose treating trans kids) think that trans adults should receive medical treatment, or do you think that trans people are mentally ill and need to accept the gender they were assigned at birth and work through their issues in therapy without hormone treatments? [/quote]

I believe there really are trans people, it's just very rare, and adults should pursue treatment for valid cases. I think a large percentage of trans kids are not actually trans and are questioning themselves due to social media influences and social pressures. Kids and teens should not be guided into life altering surgery unless they have shown signs of gender dysphoria their whole life. I think it's safe to say a high percentage will revert back to their original pronouns as they grow into adulthood or even go off to college.[/quote]

+1. I think there is normal questioning of your sexual orientation and gender identity in adolescence. I am a happily married cis female and as a teen I briefly had a crush on a girl and also spent time wondering if life would be better as a boy because I didn't fit in with girly girls. I am glad am not going through that today. Just watched my nieces fi through similar questioning in their teens. Nowadays kids are able to be more open and vocal about those thoughts and feelings, which is good. However well meaning adults or friends may jump the gun in believing those verbalized thoughts are indicative of something more than it is. [/quote]

Do you think the trans people you believe are really trans didn’t find out they were trans until they were adults? [/quote]

I'm trans.  I knew my whole life even if I didn't know the words for it.  I had pretty much all the stereotypical childhood dysphoria.  I would go into my mom's closet and try on her skirt and walk in her heels.  When your cis daughter does this, it cute and she's being like mommy.  When the "son" does it, it's a shameful experience and they are told not to do this.  It's wrong you're told.  I grew up wishing I was a girl every day of my life.  I went to bed every night praying to god that I wake up a girl.  It never happened and I stopped believing in god.  I knew with my earliest memories.

I have no experience with what it's like being an out trans kid today but I can speak from my own experience and I knew that I was trans.  I wish puberty blockers were a thing back then.  Instead I've spent a small fortune on hair removal and voice coaching in order to achieve a more feminine voice since I went through male puberty.  I know several trans women that had to pull their retirement savings for bottom surgery.  I know one that sold her house and used the proceeds for facial feminization surgery (this can cost upwards of $80,000) due to her genetics and male puberty. The tragedy of someone going on testosterone then realizing they're a cis woman and dealing with this sort of thing?  I'm all too familiar with the experience.  It is tragic.  It's traumatic.  Something inside of me shattered when I started growing facial hair so I understand how they feel.  The difference is, people are trying to pass laws protecting these cis people from making mistakes and simply ignoring or outright disregarding the reality for those of us that are actually transgender.

I don't pretend to understand how someone makes it all the way through getting surgery then realizing they're not trans but it does seem to happen in some situations.  While I personally don't agree with banning gender affirming care for those under 18, a ban on surgery wouldn't affect very many people as it's rare so maybe that is a good compromise.  Kim Petras is the youngest woman to get a vaginoplasty in the world and as far as I know, she hasn't regretted it.  Puberty blockers for AMAB trans girls are absolutely a necessity if they wish to avoid going through male puberty and the irreversible changes to the body it causes.  It can't be considered a tragedy for cis girls to make a mistake and deal with the changes caused by male puberty but not for trans girls.  The argument against puberty blockers is that you might get osteoporosis in old age which is something that could happen anyway.  While there are some edge cases where someone has really negative experiences with the medication, that is true of literally every medication.  To me, the issue here is that so many cisgender people are sympathizing with a small number of cis people that made a mistake in transitioning while ignoring and not at all sympathizing with the actual trans kids that you're trying to force through their natal puberty because we (trans people) make you feel icky.[/quote]

Thank you taking the time to post this. [/quote]

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