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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP - I am the mother of an Asian American kid. She is smart, hard working and throws herself into her EC’s.  She is doing incredibly well at school.  Both she and I support affirmative action.  We both understand why from a perspective of providing chances for black and brown (although not brown like her) kids to see themselves in these fields requires changing the makeup of the workforce being trained.  That is all well and good.  But it tone deaf of you to not appreciate  that your (equally smart and talented) daughter has an advantage over mine and to complain about ignorant people’s diminishing of your daughter’s accomplishments.   [b]From a societal level, I support you.[/b]  From a mom dealing with college apps for her brilliant kid, I would rather be in your place.  [/quote]

[b]Do you have that same feeling about job applications? Internship selections? Pay? Loan applications? Would you rather be in her daughters shoes in any of those scenarios? How about when facing a jury of your peers? [/b]Oh I see, it’s only when it comes to college admissions and you have skin in the game. Tone deaf indeed. [/quote]

DP. What makes you think an Asian woman is not discriminated against when it comes to jobs, internships and pay?  Most Asians try to lead lives so they are not on the other side of a jury, ever.. so there's that. Maybe others should try that too.  You are the one that seems to be tone deaf.[/quote]

+ 1 million[/quote] Data perhaps? https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/asian-women-and-men-earned-more-than-their-white-black-and-hispanic-counterparts-in-2017.[/quote] cutoff the link https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/asian-women-and-men-earned-more-than-their-white-black-and-hispanic-counterparts-in-2017.htm[/quote]
DP.. that data doesn't mean what you think it means.

[b]They make more because they are more educated.[/b] Asian Americans are the most educated group in this country.

It doesn't mean they don't face discrimination in the workplace. You think the white good ol' boys network who use their legacy and family connections are eager to promote Asian American women to executive level positions? Ever heard of the bamboo ceiling?  Please.

Perhaps the data would look differently if more of certain groups prioritized education.

I swear, some people need a basic course in data analysis.[/quote] I’m confused are URMs “taking” your daughter’s spot because they don’t prioritize education? And I asked if you were willing to trade spots with URMs because of pay, the data shows what it shows, by your logic white men are more educated than any other group because they’re paid more? Your bamboo struggle is real but not the struggle of other URMs? 
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I think you are mixing me up (the person who wrote about her daughter) with the poster above.  I have never ever claimed anyone was “taking” my daughter’s spot at anything.  No spot is owed to her anywhere.  And there is no way of knowing what about her application led to it being rejected (if she is in fact rejected).  Statistics would suggest that if there was a “competition” for a specific spot (not at all how it works), she most likely didn’t “lose out” to a URM simply because there are more non-URMs in the accepted pool.

All I said is that the OP whose kid has a slight advantage over mine should appreciate why it can be hard on me as a parent to watch unfold.  Try putting yourself in my shoes.  Even if you believe that overall it is the best way to get to a better future for all of us.

As to the question of whether I would want to trade places with the OP in other parts of my daughter’s life.  In some cases, yes.

And as to the point about white males having the highest education based on the PP’s logic.  That is where you lose me.  It’s simple stats to break out different group effects.  And I pay you the compliment of believing you know that and are just trying to score a cheap point.  [/quote]

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