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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation[/quote]

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China. [/quote]

Troll gonna troll[/quote]

I can assure you I’m definitely not a troll.

What I AM is someone who’s had their fill of the “muh freedumbs” idiots over the last few years. Freedumb IS the problem. This country has too much of it, and these idiots can’t handle it. So yes, I admire the Chinese, for the way their citizens understand personal responsibility and for the way the govt doesn’t allow the stupidity we’ve seen here during the pandemic. We the opposite end of the spectrum from China. The ideal point would be somewhere in the middle. Closer to where UK/Canada/Australia/NZ  would’ve been IF they didn’t have their own freedumb loons mucking things up.  Inspired by American freedumb loons, btw.

So yes, I look longingly towards being more like China.

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China is stupid in their own way.  Surely you must realize that.  They resort to lockdowns because they don’t have a decent vaccine.  If they could have provided their citizens that, they likely could have opened up with masks and it would have been ok there.

Also calling anyone who dares to question the cost/benefits of Covid mitigation measures as “freedumbs” shows you are simple minded and most likely sheltered.   What made sense in March 2020 eventually did not anymore.[/quote]
I'm not even sure what we did made sense in March 2020, either. Our public health officials panicked, and basically ignored decades of planning on how to handle disease outbreaks and just kind of engaged in a race to see who could be the most restrictive, before some places decided to dial it back, and eventually end restrictions. It's good that we live in a federal republic, where states could push back on the narrative and try different, less restrictive approaches, rather than being stuck with a top-down, one-size fits all approach. [/quote]

People living in NYC would call out your dismissive tone for the bullsh1t it is. Hospitals and EMS were overwhelmed. As were funeral homes and crematoria. [/quote]

One could argue that the measures weren’t enough in NYC yet overkill elsewhere.[/quote]

Or, one could argue that because the measures weren’t enough in NYC, where it hit first, the rest of the country took measure to not be like NYC. [/quote]

Please, what part of our country took more draconian measures than NYC? NYC was the only place with all employer vax mandates, the first to implement vaxxports, and the ONLY place where 5+ KIDS were required to be vaxed to attend public places and childhood activities and sports.   They did all the testing and tracing and required Covid infected to confirm each day that they didn't leave their quarantine.   They built make shift overflow hospitals and a huge Navy ship was brought to provide thousands of beds.  None of it was really used, but this was the only place where temp hospital capacity ramp up was taken seriously. [/quote]

Draconian measures are of limited use once a mass casualty event has already  happened. NYC was so skittish because they got hit so hard so fast. It’s not like they closed schools before the DMV. [/quote]

Schools in NYC closed in March, we pulled our kids out before that and started wearing masks everywhere.  People who were scared started to take precautions right away, even while our clueless mayor was still contemplating whether to have St. Patricks parade.  Not knowing much about how this virus spreads and what's high risk and low risk many started sanitizing surfaces, washing hands and wearing masks even outdoors. We knew it was circulating already, but we also were in control and not elderly trapped in nursing homes, hospitals or already weakened by the flu season in full swing.  That's where most casualties were[/quote]

I don't disagree that our local government mishandled this, and they dialed up the measures too much too late when pandemic wave already passed. They also dialed up on vax coercion like no other place when most of the population already had immunity from previous exposure.  Their measures destroyed lots of businesses, created mass exodus and fall in rent prices, which later backfired with people coming back and rents going up to a lot higher than pre-pandemic levels. They locked down schools for a while too.  They created a lot of friction with vax mandates and passports and fueled anti-vax movement even more. These measures did destroy lives while it's unclear how much they contributed to saving lives because so many vulnerable people already died out during the first wave, and if you believe in herd immunity, then NYC would probably be the place that came closest to achieving it. [/quote]

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