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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] [i]most Ivy League schools do not offer undergrad business.[/i] business is a selective major at some schools, but not at others. [/quote] [quote=Anonymous] I don't think you are familiar with this area. UPenn, Cornell, Brown offer businsee curriculum, so that's 3 out of 8 ivies. When schools have undergrad prorams, they are usually more selective and ... it's very hard to change into business program later. [/quote] I was a business professor at multiple Ivy League and state universities. Princeton lacks a business school, but has economics adjacent to operations research. I would choose that over any undergrad business program. I know an Emory professor whose kid wanted to go to Duke, even though Emory would have been free. Ouch! If you only choose Penn or UVA for business, then you might be disappointed if you don't into Wharton or McIntire. Professors often try to send their kids to selective liberal arts colleges.[/quote] This doesn't change the fact that at universities with undergraduate business schools, it's better to be in the b-school than not. For Wall Street and big 3 consulting, students should look at how big of a target school that the school is over the US News ranking or whether it has undergraduate business or not. Princeton and Duke are much bigger target schools than Emory. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are ranked higher than Georgetown and Notre Dame, yet the latter two are more coveted for recruitment. [/quote] If you're a D1 athlete, you have a much better chance of working in IB or high finance consulting regardless of the school you attended. [/quote] That's flat out incorrect. [/quote] How so?[/quote] How not so??[/quote] My IB division has so many ex-D1 athletes that I simply lost count.[/quote] My IB division has not many ex-D1 athletes. Some we have work in not so important back office duties.[/quote] Eh, they usually get parked in sales.[/quote] I get assigned to probably the worst job this year, deciding who to hire for the internship program in both the IB and trading division. For '23 internship, there are about 20 internship positions, the deadline is 12/31/2022. I get this assignment in "name" only because I've already received over twenty emails from different EVPs in the company inquiring about these positions for their alumni D1 athletes. About 75% of these athletes are not qualified for the internship but it does not matter. I can not turn any of them down because if I do, I will likely face backlash from these EVPs in the form of future promotion and bonus. I talk to my former colleagues who work for different employers but in the same field and they all tell me that the same thing happens at their employers, athletes get internship positions over other candidates, regardless of qualifications. In summary, who you know matters a lot more than the college you attend. [/quote]
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