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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic.  Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping.  It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line.  If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver.  These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.[/quote]

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab. [/quote]

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff :lol:  :lol:  :lol: [/quote]
DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question. [/quote]

They aren't ticketing people for driving.  They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law.  You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue. 
 Stop at stop signs.  Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live.  Because it's the law.  At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.[/quote]

The law is a "complete stop".  The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.[/quote]

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line.  The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video.  Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video.  Every single one.[/quote]

Is it?  How do the videos debunk that?  Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed.  How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term.  Automated camera runs on objective rules.  What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?[/quote]

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign.  You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate.  Prove it.  Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.[/quote]

That doesn't debunk anything.  I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets.  What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created.  Those rules are not in the law.  They are an approximation.  [/quote]

Yes, it absolutely does debunk it.  One individual whiner on Nextdoor started this rumor that the only way to avoid a ticket was to stop 5 feet behind the line for four full seconds. 
 He insisted he was a good driver and moaned about how he stopped normally and still got ticketed, and a bunch of credulous commenters fell for it and got on soapboxes about Big Gubment Going Too Far!!!!

200 posts later he posted finally the video from his ticket.  He didn't make a full stop at all, let alone behind the line, let alone for 3.5 seconds.  He rolled right through the stop sign and got a ticket because he broke the law.  He LIED.  He disproved himself.  You're still championing him because that's the kind of sea lion you are.  Always side with the aggrieved white male who doesn't think the rules apply to him, then demand that other people disprove your fallacious position.  Nah.[/quote]

WTF are you talking about?  Sea lion? Aggrieved white male?  What kind of crazy pants fantasies are in your head?

Let me be slow and clear.  I DGAF about that individual.  I have not seen any of the videos.  I care about one thing and am arguing one thing only.  Code is not law.  Code cannot replace subjective rules because code cannot be subjective.  "Complete" is a subjective term.  Objective code determines what does or does not trigger a ticket.  The law and the code have to be the same if code is being used to enforce a law and law has to be transparent.[/quote]

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