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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ukraine is not a member of NATO.  We should not be intervening militarily.  [/quote]

Russia’s official (and likely) reason for the military build-up is Russian fear of Ukraine joining NATO.

I am as pro-west and pro-USA as they come.  But it behooves us to view this potential conflict from every angle.

The Russian “angle” sees Ukrainian NATO membership as analogous to the Cuban missile crisis in reverse; the Russians fear NATO missiles in Ukraine.

Putin will also hold up “protecting the human rights the Russian minority” in Eastern Ukraine as a pretext, even though we know he cares not at all for anyone’s human rights.[/quote]

But the problem is that NATO, besides Poland and the Baltics, doesn't really want Ukraine to join.  Considering the state of relations with Turkey, and Putin's growing friendship with Erdogan, there is chance that NATO expands in the short term.  If Russia doesn't make it an issue it wouldn't be an issue.  The Ukraine's geography is not a good defesive line and missiles in Ukraine provide no strategic advantage over missiles in Poland, Romania, or the Baltics.  It's all a saber rattling move on Russia's part.  Unfortunately the more Russia pushes the more likely Ukrainian membership in NATO becomes.  If there is ever a war then the entire East European Plain would be one giant killing field, just like it has been during every previous war in that region.

From NATO's perspective, the Russian aggression over Ukraine, along with its Belarusian puppet, is a direct threat to Poland and the Baltics.  Russia has already meddled with the Baltics through cyber attacks and[b] riling up the ethnic Russian minority population.[/b]  If the Ukrainian buffer gets breached then events will spiral out of control.[/quote]

But the ethnic Russian minority in the Baltics IS prosecuted and denied their human rights.  It's not a made-up problem.
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Taking down a statue is not oppression[/quote]

Making one-third of your population stateless and barring them from voting and property ownership is. [/quote]

Russia started a cyber-war and developed the strategy that was used in Georgia and is now being used in Ukraine because Estonia moved a statute.  Russia is a malign actor that uses fake irridentist claims to destabilize the entire region.[/quote]

Estonia disenfranchised its Russian-speaking population before any of these things happened.

But hey yes, you're correct.  Because Russia does all these things, according to you, it is entirely right and correct that ethnic Russians in the Baltics must be stripped of civil rights.  May I suggest moving them to concentration camps? The locals have built serious skills in running them. With a bit of ingenuity, they can probably get the gas chambers running again.[/quote]

How is the weather there in Moscow today? [/quote]

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