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[quote=BlueFredneck]It's also worth pointing out that our NON-GUN murder rate is still 2-3x higher than most European nations.

Let's also remember many of the gun control measures of the 60s and 70s **WERE** put in place due to the spectre of armed Black militants (with some help from agents-provocateurs).

Gun control advocates must not be that concerned about police brutality, systemic racism, or exploitation of labor, if they're that willing to give up an implement that might even the struggle, if only slightly.

So the police - who half the time are a bunch of Black-murdering QAnon lovers in their eyes - are to be trusted with the confiscation of privately owned firearms? The contradiction boggles me.

If their solution to crime in cities where crime remains stubborn (*) is to start screaming about rednecks having too many guns, I can see why rural folks might start thinking their way of life is at risk.

Counterinsurgency 101 is to address the legitimate grievances of the other side. Private gun ownership is one of those legitimate grievances. A suburbanite who lives within 5 minutes police response time simply doesn't face the same challenges as someone in a rural area.

I will also say I've got more to fear - both for my personal safety and my convenience - from someone vandalizing my home or committing crimes against my person than from my neighbor owning some guns. Maybe I'm wrong, but people who are wrong in good faith deserve education and dialogue, not cancellation and mockery.

(*) It *is* a valuable topic of interest to figure out why a few cities - Chicago, Baltimore, etc., - continue to have high murder and crime rates since the crime peak of the early 1990s, while crime rates in other cities went down - even in cities where Giuliani policies didn't happen - DC/LA/Boston for example.

I'm not a member, but there are left-wing gun owner groups, such as the Socialist Rifle Association. [/quote]

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