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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Guns should be regulated the same way we do cars and driving.

1. Age and health requirements (i.e. not blind, mentally ill, etc) for owning and/or operating a gun
2. Mandatory training
3. Probationary period during training
4. Mandatory licensing requirement with periodic renewal that also checks to ensure owner/operator of the gun still meets legal and health requirements
5. Mandatory registration of guns 
6. Mandatory title transfer process if gun changes hands that includes mandatory background check of recipient
7. Insurance requirement to cover liability costs
8. Mandatory periodic inspection of the gun to ensure it is still safe to operate, has not been illegally modified, and is still in the registered owner's possession.

We do this for cars and it does not impede law abiding drivers.  As such it cannot be credibly argued that this would be an infringement on lawful gun owners' rights.[/quote]

Second amendment advocates believe that license requirements will be used to ban private ownership, and their fears are most likely warranted based on the evidence.  Cities with "may issue" license requirements made it so difficult to obtain permits that ordinary citizens could not possess or carry weapons.  SCOTUS is about to rule on this issue in NYC.  The Heller case addressed similar problems in DC.

I think at this point it would take a Constitutional amendment to layout a clear individual right to gun ownership for self-defense purposes in return for the licensure, insurance, and training requirements.  That would be a fair trade in my opinion.  But of course many people on both sides make a lot of $$$ politicizing the issue and don't want the gravy train to stop.
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2nd Amendment defined the right as being for establishing a well regulated militia.  Within 6 months of ratifying 2A the same Founding Fathers who wrote 2A also codified what militia meant in the Militia Act of 1792 and what eligibility and responsibilities that entailed.  And it's not at all what 2A advocates today think it is.[/quote]

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials”

-George Mason, Founding Father

They knew exactly whom the militia was.

Now, tell us that the word “regulated” in the context of 1791 means the same thing we think it means today. Go ahead! Fail 2-for-2 !

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Well, in 1791, the only guns were flint lock Brown Bess muskets, so they are the only “arms” protected by the second amendment.[/quote]

Cool.

Now do the First and Fourth Amendments!

You know - where only Town Criers and manual printing presses are the only form of free speech, because that’s all that existed in 1791. Radio, TV, internet - all that can be tightly regulated and restricted by Trump starting Jan 20, 2025!

Same with the Fourth Amendment. From now on, the only affects you have a right to be secure in are those you wrote with a quill pen. All the electronic data and phone calls are now subject to warrantless search at any time for any reason. Because, you know, that stuff didn’t exist back then. Also good for helping Trump root out all the deepstaters and trouble-making libs out there.

Still sound like a good idea to interpret the Second Amendment as protecting only the technology available at the time?  Because that’s going to applied to everything else, too. [/quote]

Historically people weren't getting killed because of radio, TV and the internet....   but with the massive spread of anti-vaxx disinformation that's gotten hundreds of thousands of Americans killed, along with the spread of QAnon and other right wing lies that resulted in a violent attack on the US Capitol, maybe you have a point.  Maybe disinformation that leads to violence and death should be cracked down on.

Except the right wing is already howling "censorship!" over social media companies cracking down on their lies while refusing to acknowledge that nobody has a problem when the right wing tells actual truths.

Clean up your act, stop spreading lies and maybe people won't want to censor you.[/quote]

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