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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP seriously you believe in everything Catholics do not.

Pro Choice
Gay marriage
Divorce

Why would you want to be part of something that condones chiid abusers and is against the things you believe in?

How about Unitarian? Or Episcopalian?.

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Perhaps the OP has other beliefs the correspond with the church.  
The core social values in Catholicism are:

1). Respect for life and dignity of all people.
2)  Call to participate in family and community 
3). Fundamental rights to life and human decency coupled with responsibility to provide those things to others.  
4). Preferential treatment for the poor and vulnerable 
5) Dignity and rights of workers
6). Care of the planet.
7). The promotion of justice and peace.

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1) Then why do they lobby congress to make lenient laws for sexual abuse
2) Calls to whom? not everybody, they are not inclusive
3) Yet they pay for politicians that create laws against that. 
4) Preferential? No, they lobby for low riches for the rich and less resources for the poor and mentally ill.
6) Have you seen the parking lot of a Catholic church?
7) No they lobby for laws that protect pedophiles.[/quote]

This is such an interesting perspective.  I'm sorry that you feel this way about the church or feel that these things are advocated within the Church.

I can tell you that while no one is perfect, if you look through the lives of the saints and other holy people within the Catholic church, the virtues and values that are lauded are those that I listed above.

Saint Teresa of Calcutta
https://catholicsaints.info/saint-teresa-of-calcutta/

Saint Dulce of the Poor
https://catholicsaints.info/saint-maria-rita-lopes-pontes-de-souza-brito/

Venerable Marcello Labor
https://catholicsaints.info/venerable-marcello-labor/

Saint Thérèse of Lisieux (the little flower)
https://catholicsaints.info/saint-therese-of-lisieux/

There are many, many more examples.  
These are the people that we try to use as examples to lead us in our own lives here on earth.  Of course, most of us fall far short.  
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I don’t feel that way. It’s a fact. You are supporting a corrupt organization if you support the Catholic Church.[/quote]

Wow.  Okay.  Clearly you don’t think these are good people worth emulating.  If you don’t feel that Dr. Marcello Labor or Mother Teresa have done anything in their lives worth emulating, despite their corruption and sins, then I have to ask what you mean by believing in social justice.  [/quote]

Wow. Okay. Clearly you think these people could only accomplish these tasks as a Catholic. I don’t feel that way. I think they would have done all these things even if they were not part of the Catholic Church. You can emulate Mother Teresa and NOT be Catholic.[/quote]

I didn’t say that.  How could anyone know that?

What I said is this:  These people aren’t just people who happen to be Catholic.  These are people who have virtues and values that are lauded by the church. This IS how Catholics believe you should try to live your life. 
  I believe that you replied that it was a fact that the above people were corrupt (and certainly they were), and that you felt that made their virtues worthless.

I am not saying that you cannot emulate Mother Teresa and NOT be Catholic.  I am saying that the Church DOES value social justice highly and teach it to children and parishioners through the biographies of people like Mother Teresa.

There seems to be this perception that the Church values hate, and that is simply not true.  The Church values love, compassion, and caring for the poor.  You can see this in who they choose to set as examples for what it is to be a valuable person and live a good life.  [/quote]

Whew that was a long round about way for us to agree that Op absolutely can accomplish all the spirituality and good deeds on earth she wants without being a catholic![/quote]

Well...
You started off telling me that Catholics promote abuse and hate and have no love for the poor.  I suppose that it's not a surprise that the whole thing ended up kind of a circuitous way of saying that you have a free will to live your life as you will regardless of your theology.

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