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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Saying it should be negotiated is not the same as saying it should happen [/quote]

If it shouldn't happen, why bother to negotiate? Certainly, agreeing to negotiate an outcome is not an indication that you oppose that outcome which is the claim made by the earlier poster.
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Ok, in labor law, “subject for mandatory bargaining” means that it is an issue that if the employer wants to have happen, they have to negotiate with the union. It does not mean the union is affirmatively bringing the issue to the table because the union wants to consider it. It’s the opposite. It protects the union from management issueing an edict about it.

So AFT saying it is a “subject for mandatory bargaining” means they are asserting their right to force the employer to negotiate over it. And from the rest of the AFT statement (that they don’t think vaccines should be “coereced”) I think we can conclude that when/if the issue is bargained over, they will oppose it. [/quote]

I agree with your first paragraph. The ATF statement is clear that the union opposes a mandate that is not negotiated. However, your conclusion that the a mandate would be opposed in negotiations is not supported. If negotiations failed, what would prevent a mandate from being issued anyway? The only reason to negotiate is to reach agreement on the modalities.

Moreover, since any such negotiations would need to between the local unions and their respective managements, it is not even clear that all of the locals would have the same position. [/quote]

Okay but this has been going on a while now and where have we seen teachers unions advocating for mandatory vaccinations?[/quote]

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