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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The arguments are getting circular, and ad hominem now.  Bottom line is Dan and his ilk have no time to hear the opinions of anyone who is not an “urbanist” like themselves, and share their viewpoints in their entirety.

That means super upzoning and density
It means mass transit (and literally judging those who habe the nerve to... drive a car to commute
And it means busing kids to their non neighboring schools (ironic when they are so anti car transit![/quote]

upzoning and density simply means adding more housing options closer to transit
no one is judging those who drive cars, the issue is more transit needed so people aren't forced to drive cars
busing is necessary so schools aren't overcrowded and racially/economically segregated[/quote]

People in this thead were ABSOLUTELY judging car transit, and using radical terms to do so.  [b]"Destructive", "toxic",[/b] etc.

No one is against mass transit.  It's good and should be encouraged for those who it makes sense for.

But there is absolutely rhetoric in this thread against both cars and even single family homes.

And busing is more certainly not the way to go.

The idea that a neighborhood or school is "segregated", makes light of what that word actually means.   Anyone who can afford a house, can buy it.  Period.   Thats not segregation.[/quote]

Car transportation is destructive and toxic. That's not judging, it's just a fact. Destructive to people and property, toxic to the environment. And costly. Even if you love cars, love driving, and drive everywhere you go, you should acknowledge the reality of this.[/quote]

I'm confused.  I thought "no one was judging driving".

As for destructive and toxic, we can at least differentiate as those who realize cars are essential means of transportation for the vast majority of us, versus those who drive some monstrous canyonero type SUV and pounds through gas.[/quote]

Just because you have no alternative but to drive, doesn't mean that the driving isn't also destructive and toxic. That doesn't mean you're a bad person. It just means that driving is destructive and toxic.

Cars are an essential means of transportation for the vast majority of us [i]because of deliberate policy choices the US has made over the last 70 years[/i]. It's time to change those policies.[/quote]

+1. I drive basically every day, but it's destructive. It's potentially dangerous in an immediate fashion and it's destructive to the planet. We all do kinds of things that are destructive in those ways. We should strive to reduce the amount we do those destructive things, and freaking out about being "judged" isn't the answer.[/quote]

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