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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] There is troubling information that would show otherwise. Go to the Curie Learning Center facebook page. Look at the list of names that they posted on August 17th that were admitted to TJ's class of 2024. Please find more than 3 names of the 133 that are NOT Indian. Also, go and look at the TJ Vents page from the July post on the Curie learning center. You will see a student (who appears to be non-Indian) who posted that he was treated poorly at Curie due to his race. [/quote] Well, it is possible that since most kids are of Indian descent and many kids may know each other pretty well and not really get a chance to interact with others. I am not sure if this constitutes as not being treated well. The owner is a retired Indian math professor and his teaching style and accent may be normal to Indian parents or their kids, but probably does not sit well with others and may even perceive this as being rude etc. Indian teachers have softened quite a bit these days, but until 90s, teacher were were treated like gods and used to yield a lot of power over students and their parents. However, there are non Indian origin instructors at this prep center, but not sure if they adjusted their teaching style to cater to Indian students as well :). Though, the prep center does not explicitly say it, the instructors generally assume that kids are already in AAP and if not it will be difficult to catch up on their math instruction. So, if you consider most (400+?) of the Indian kids many of whom are already in AAP or GT, go to this prep center for enrichment or TJ prep, then it is not a huge surprise for a quarter of those kids to qualify for TJ or AET. However, I do wish, if the tests could not be prepped or there is another away to identify the talent or interest in STEM based education. But, in my opinion, any standardized test can be and will be prepped and you see the same (prep centers and books) for ACT/SAT/GRE/GMAT/MCAT/LSAT etc and I do not see a way around it. Some prep centers figure out test preparation better than others and then you see discrepancy like this one, which causes un rest in kids and parents and then mistakenly assume or blame it as cheating, even there is none. If you truly thing there is cheating, please pursue this matter with school. To provide some background - education in India (may be true for other asian countries) is hyper competitive and it is not easy to stand out among population of over 1 billion without ton of hard work. Public schools in India are pretty bad and private education can get very expensive. The placement tests are rampant and are required for every level of education (even for elementary schools) and school based education does not necessarily prepare kids for all kinds of placement tests or competitions they are forced to take for schools and even jobs. So, you see prep centers everywhere for every kind of placement test and Indian parents were quite used to this growing up. Most of the Indian parents you see in the US likely have STEM background and probably worked hard to stand out in their schools and came to US to pursue higher education (compete for scholarships) and/or job opportunities. They know how important education had been for them and tend to push their kids to do the same. So, asian parents do not hesitate spending money on kids education or enrichment and buying homes in better school districts even if it requires them to cut down on vacations or other expenses. This is generally true for first generation asians, but tend to get normalized in future generations. We know, if parents (not just asians) have STEM background or work in related fields, kids are naturally exposed to math and science early and will have resources and opportunities to purse their interests in these areas. So, it is not a surprise that first generation asian kids tend to do well in school (especially math/science) but at the same time not so well in sports or other extra curricular activities. [/quote] * The reason, it is difficult to stand out in India is not just 1B population, there are also race and gender based quotas in both education and jobs, corrupt politics and government, economic inequality etc. So, even a good student needs to perform exceptionally to overcome all this and succeed. Just to give a perspective, if an engineering/medical program has a capacity of 100 students, if a student without quotas needs to score within top 25 in the placement test. The better ranked universities have much higher competition. Since kids/parents perceive education as the only path to success and there is very little room for failure, pretty much every student goes to a prep center (and good prep centers conduct their own placement tests due to limited capacity and also check if students can be prepped at their level) and prep centers are a huge business in India. I only hope US doesn't end up like India in the name of diversity. [/quote]
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