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You might want to familiarize with ESOL in Fairfax County and how it works before saying things like this.  In Fairfax County, students who know little to no English are in their own separate ESOL classes.  They are not just thrown in with the general population for mainstream teachers to deal with.  It is not until they have at least an intermediate level of English, that they go into mainstream classes where they generally are some of the top students in the class - IMO because they have worked so hard to get there.  We do have students who are beginning students of English and basically illiterate in their native language and they will never move into mainstream classes because they don't have the skills to do so (this is in high school).  Usually they end up dropping out because of their age or just general frustration.  Fairfax County is actually very strict about the skills ESOL students need to go to mainstream classes - much more so than other counties in the area.  [/quote]

Don't you think an intermediate level is English is too low to be put in general mainstream classes? Students should have mastered the language. Otherwise, I can see where they hold the whole class back. You can't tell me that all the ESOL students don't cost Fairfax County a lot of money and time. [/quote]

Actually, you would be surprised what an intermediate level of English is in ESOL in Fairfax County - students are very fluent orally, as well as in reading and writing.  So much so that the ESOL students at this level (at least at my school) usually read and write better than the 9th grade students they are in class with.  And as far as mainstream classes these intermediate ESOL students are taking, they are 9th grade classes - usually World History 1 and Biology.  It is not until students are at an advanced level of ESOL (basically only one ESOL class in their schedule), that they take English 9, Chemistry, and other more advanced classes.  You can believe me or not, but in my 11 years of teaching experience at my Fairax County school, the ESOL students are generally just as prepared and sometimes more studious than the "regular" American students - at least in the general ed. classes.  They are not holding classes back - there simply isn't time to do that really with all the content that needs to be taught.  And yes, the ESOL students do cost the county money and time, but so do Special Ed classes, and other "special" classes that the county offers.[/quote]

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