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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Based on our experience with UChicago and MIT, and that of my kids' friends and relatives, MIT and UChicago are more for high achievers than intellectuals.

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That “high achiever” label is more illusion created by PR than fact. Without the Chicago PR machine, they would just return to the 50% admit rate it used to be. No one would label a school with 40-50% admit rate high hitters. They can manipulate their admit rate - but they can’t manipulate their mediocre ROI. [/quote]

ROI is already a measure inversely correlated with intellectual culture. The best way to increase ROI is to send more kids to Wall Street, Business Consulting, and Law school as well as engineering. Schools sending kids for PhDs in history or philosophy or physics will always have a lower ROI.[/quote]

Good point. Musicians generally don’t have a high income, especially in this gig economy. The problem with Chicago is that it desperately tries too hard. It’s dedinitely not like Reed or St. John’s who don’t give a hoot about the ranking game. [/quote]

Disagree.

Chicago has trained (and hires) amazing minds. https://www.uchicago.edu/about/accolades/nobel_laureates/  It is a full university. Reed, St. Johns are fine undergraduate institutions with some distinguished alums. But they have generally not made the same mark on the world, for better or worse (thinking of the UC atom bomb developers). [/quote]

UC Berkeley has produced more nobels than UC, just google wiki. By your criteria, UChicago is a notch below UC Berkeley. And half the students at Berkeley pay no tuition to boot. Ther’s No way UC can beat UC Berkeley. [/quote]

Berkley is more than twice the size of UC so totals aren’t a fair comparison. [/quote]

UC students often pay $75000 + full freight. More than half at UC Berkeley pay no tuition while remaining pay reduced tuition. I guess this is not a fair comparison. [/quote]

How do half of UC Berkeley students pay no tuition?? Are you certain? I live in CA and didn’t realize this.[/quote]

Got the inf from UC financial:

“It costs less than you think

Most families pay less than the full price of attending UC. In fact, more than half of our undergraduate students pay no tuition at all. Over two-thirds of UC undergraduates receive grants and scholarships, with an average award of around $16,300.”

http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/paying-for-uc/index.html

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