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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What’s the real value of completing the IB diploma for the senior who has already gotten into college, if the student doesn’t care about trying to get college credit? I can imagine an advantage to the school and program, but what benefit does the kid going to HYPS get? Imagine a responsible kid who has followed through on lots of things and long term goals in his life, so the abstract benefit of completing something is not so important.[/quote]

There's something known as the "love of learning" that appears to be lost on you.

I'm sorry if following through is a foreign concept to you as well.

pathetic[/quote]

DP.

One can passionately love learning without finishing a program of study. I left my doctoral program because at that particular time, I had to choose between producing my dissertation or a second child. I went for the second child and have never regretted it. My love of learning didn’t evaporate or diminish. I’ve continued taking courses and attending seminars. I spend a lot of my free time and disposable income on learning. I just didn’t finish that formal program of study.

I can see a smart senior making a rational decision to reduce their workload by one paper or one exam in order to savor being 17 or 18 in spring. A friend had DDs go through both Blair’s CAP and RIMB. They said they didn’t enjoy senior rites of passage because of the pressure.[/quote]

While an 18 yo may be "legal" and somewhat mature, when we allow seniors to coast simply b/c they've been accepted into a college, we tell them that learning is NOT important.

DP IB is a program.  If you sign on, you need to fulfill your obligation to YOURSELF.  Academic stamina doesn't die in 12th grade.  In fact, it should be much stronger.

senior rite of passage?  lol - Tell that to a college senior.  What is his/her rite of passage?

This is a ridiculous discussion - and one I've had to handle with kids and parents.   How about this?  Learning doesn't stop.  Should teachers of seniors give up at the end, too, b/c of this "senior rite of passage?"

See how that works? [/quote]

You're getting really emotional and disrespectful in your answers, but not actually providing good analysis of the benefit to the kid of sitting for those last tests.  The fact that you feel so passionately about this, have had numerous prior discussions with parents and kids, but are not able to articulate a real benefit beyond "completion" is telling.  Sure, there is value on sticking with something, but if you have already displayed that in other ways in your life, the value of this particular completion is much less -- perhaps enough to be negligible in the scheme of things for the student's particular circumstances, particularly since the kid in this scenario is finishing the class, getting good grades, doing all the work, etc. just not sitting for the final IB exams.   I'm all for the IB program and rigorous study and inculcating love of earning.  My question is very small and focused on the benefits of sitting for those last exams. It would be great if someone could give a real defense of why that is so valuable for the student.  [/quote]

You think you are so smart but your approach says a lot about you and why your kids would never do well in life. If your kid is playing a game (soccer for example) and her team is down 3-0 with 2 min to go. Do you tell your kid to stop playing? Or do you tell your kid to do her best and finish the game? Sometimes you learn more from the journey than the end point. Being able to complete what you started is a priceless lesson in life. Sigh...[/quote]

You are not helping your case by continuing to be disrespectful and insulting -- and devolving to making a personal attack on my kids is, I imagine, beneath you in real life, outside the protection of an anonymous board.   It makes it seem as if there is no real argument on the other side.  I made a mistake in posting this query in a thread that was not devoted to this topic, which means that not too many people are reading it for this purpose.  Reading between the lines of some of the posts, it seems the answer is that the real benefit in the circumstances I described is for the greater good.  It helps the program to show successful completion of those last hoops, and that makes it more likely that the program is continued for future generations, and that is a significant value.  And, for many children, the value of completion is likely not non-negligible given that the IB program has been such a significant part of their lives, and even for you if it is not so important you help your peers by working together towards completion and so that lifts up the whole class, and so those benefits combined with the good to the future students makes it worthwhile.    [/quote]

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