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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would guess a lot of the PP who call grooming, etc., never saw Mr. Knick Knack in concert. Yes, he's with a bunch of kids in that picture--and the parents are probably one foot out of the frame. There were always tons and tons of parents at the shows, and the shows were always in outdoor or very public arenas. [b]There is literally no way he could have touched a child inappropriately in those settings. [/b]

I actually talked to the guy a couple times with my kids nearby. I agree he's eccentric but I didn't get the creepy vibe. In one incident, he had problems with the promoter (I don't remember the details), and we said we'd vouch for him. The classic child molester would have happily taken our contact information, but he didn't--he said thanks but he'd figure it out. He also never remembered our kids' names or anything, even though we spoke to him a few different times.

I'm not disputing the charges. I'm just saying that it was NOT obvious that the guy was a sex offender.[/quote]Exacty what I’ve been trying to say. He did a horrible thing possessing child porn, but people thinking more is going to come out, because he inappropriately touched kids at shows, are going to be waiting for something that won’t happen. This poster is right, it’s impossible at one of these shows. It’s so crowded with moms, and sometimes dads, as well. [/quote]

This is not what grooming is.  You don't know what grooming is if you think it means touching kids inappropriately in public settings.  I never said he did that, I'm only saying that he had the opportunity to groom kids--and their parents--because I know what actual grooming is.[/quote]You really are like talking to a wall. We all know what grooming is, as we watch the news, also. Look at your after school teachers, coaches, family members or people that can groom with the purpose of isolating that child. I’m not sure you know what grooming is after all. It’s to gain the trust of a child over a period of time, to eventually isolate that child and harm them. 
         Mr Knick knack or any other performer isn’t babysitting your kids to you get back. The point of someone in that situation grooming would be pointless, as he’s never alone with your kid.  Uncle joe has a chance to groom and isolate your kid. What Knick knack did is horrible, but grooming your kids at show, no, it would be impossible for him to do anything there[/quote]

No, but he could have done dozens, hundreds, perhaps thousands of one-off gropes. A 1 or 2 year old doesn't have the language or knowledge to know/tell they have been violated. Let that sink in for a moment. Think about times when you've had your personal space encroached on or when some random perv touched you inappropriately and no one around you noticed.[/quote]

Thousands of gropes, with 60 to 80 parents looking on, taking photos, and recording it all on video.

I give up! No matter how many times his show is described, the alarmists claim that they know best.

I have no idea what he did in his off-hours, but no one will ever convince me that those shows were the site of mass molestations.[/quote]

You do know what one-off means, right? This guy has done how many shows in his career? How many parties? A pp mentioned he played in the bookstore every Saturday for at least two years. Have you been around Moms and their young kids? The moms mingle and the kids play after the show. Can you admit it's possible or even likely that he had opportunities to inappropriately touch young kids?[/quote]

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