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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting fact:  during the 8 years of Obama/Biden the US lost 293k manufacturing jobs

Another interesting fact:  in the first 2 years of Trump/Pence the US gained 453k manufacturing jobs.[/quote]
Citation please.[/quote]

+1  I don't believe that data at all.  You need to provide a source.[/quote]

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP

Do two searches: one on the Obama admin and another Trump. PP’s claims are very close to true.[/quote]

FRED doesn't show the data the PP stated. [/quote]

+100

The data shows that there are 300K more manufacturing jobs since Trump became POTUS. From the trough of the Financial Crisis to when he left office, Obama added about 1M manufacturing jobs.

Trump still has a ways to go to catch up to Obama's manufacturing numbers. 300K is a good start, but at what price?[/quote]

The MANEMP series says (#s in thousands)
-at (appox) BHO inauguration, Jan 2009-12,561 
-at recent trough, May 2010-11,452
-at BHO departure, DJT inauguration, Jan 2017-12,368
-latest figure, March 2019-12,821

No one is killing it in manufacturing employment numbers. DJT's admin has a better net gain, though it's not itself special. And the "at what price?" question should apply to both the DJT admin and the BHO one. [b]The Obama admin's financial crisis response was an absolute dumpster fire.[/b] If Dems insist on beating DJT, they need to face up to this and other failures instead of eliding over them.[/quote]

You must be f#cking joking me. We were on the verge of eating canned cat food and bread lines when Obama was inaugurated. Did you not remember that we lost nearly 3m manufacturing jobs under the GOP in the 4 years prior to Obama? If anything, Obama stopped the steep drop in manufacturing jobs.

Expand this chart from 2005-2019 to see the course correction that happened under Obama: https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

I'm not sure why you feel the need to lie about this. You know the GOP obstructed and actively hampered the recovery efforts. They wanted to enact austerity, which would have meant even worse job losses in manufacturing. [/quote]

+1  There are some people on this thread who really don't understand data.  [/quote]

Whatever. I put data next to politics , economics,, and inference under topics both immediate PPs are clueless about.

The measure of the financial crisis response should be what could or should have been done. Not measured by how it was at it's nadir ('cat food", etc.). I wouldn't trust anyone who said otherwise. That millions of innocents were seriously harmed and the perps were not just not challenged, but actually enriched by the response is at the core of our current political problems, aka it's much of why we have a game show host as President.

If you unquestioning Democrats need help understanding how badly Obama and co. failed to address the crisis, read Reed Hundt's (FCC chair for WJC, first east coast funderraiser for BHO 2008) new book "A Crisis Wasted". I'd go much further than he has, but he has cred with all the folks that are tribally committed to defending BHO.[/quote]

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