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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You seem to be throwing all kinds of stuff into the same bag. Are we supposed to blindly follow your orders?

I am actually an older mother, a professional with a PhD. I have several doctors in my family and I am an immigrant from Europe. That provides for a bit perspective.

American doctors like to do to diagnostics that don’t require any skills. They also jump on the latest fad - the most recent research - as to opposes to fundamentals. Ironically in doing so they are more similar to the young mothers you describe here. [b]And yes, putting a young child under so that you can conveniently fill cavities in the baby teeth is insane.[/b][/quote]

You are so right!  Better to let the cavities advance to the point of abscess - what’s a little pain and swelling anyway?  I’m sure the body will heal that naturally. And besides, that little hellion Larlo, who will absolutely not cooperate and almost bit your finger off at the last appointment?  Yeah, rotten teeth are his punishment for being a little sh!t in the dental chair. He doesn't deserve to have a healthy mouth.  Or better yet, let’s fill his 20 teeth ONE BY ONE in the dental office and traumatize him 20 times over. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. [/quote]

Not to mention failure to treat cavities in baby teeth can lead to infecting the adult teeth.

Interesting that European dentists agree with treating cavities in baby teeth. [/quote]

they do treat cavities but not at al coats and often won’t use anesthesia. [b]anesthesia is for lazy parents and incompetent dentists[/b].[/quote]

[i][b]And there you have it folks. No rational conversation to be had here[/b][/i]. [/quote]

And seriously, isn’t this the EXACT thing that patients/clients are now railing against? You don’t want them to have any rational discussion, yiu juat wnt them to accept whatever you say.

And no, [b]not every European dentist agrees with treating cavities. [/b]Holle Formula is still formula. European children are given alcohol much earlier than the age of 21. So what’s your point? Different things for different people. Make your decisions, and question who is giving you information, [/quote]

Your major dental professional associations do, as do your pediatric medical care associations.

Yes, you can find someone who is off in left field on any topic, but I don't think this is any more convincing for your argument than shouting in all-caps, or bolding, or the leaps of logic are.[/quote]

Way to miss the point, and focus on the minutiae rather than the message.

Many doctors do not respect the major associations, or their recommendations, especially if they don’t make them money.

being a doctor does not mean you won’t be questioned, or are above questioning. Europe and other areas have different standards. [b]You’re not more special because your paid for a specific education. [/b]The people they pay you get to get to ask you questions, much like they probably have to, despite your preconceptions about them. Because you think you’re better, doesn’t mean you are. A plumber still needs to come fix your toilet. [/quote][/quote]

haha!  Actually, doctors are more "special" and knowledgable because they paid for a specific education.  An education whose schools have very stringent admission standards that the vast majority of people can't meet.  My husband is a physician, and in medical school he studied for at least 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  His work ethic and that of his classmates amazed me.  Then in residency and fellowship he worked 80 hours a week receiving hands-on training.[b]  You can't replicate that education by reading a couple of articles on the internet.[/b]  In fact, the vast majority of people are not literate in biomedical science and are unable to correctly read and interpret research studies.  This is precisely why uneducated moms shouldn't be "doing their own research."  They aren't capable of the critical analysis necessary to understand that Natural News, Mercola.com, and the NVIC are garbage websites that spout inaccurate information.

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This is it in a nutshell. I absolutely astounds me that people think they actually can. [/quote]

No you can’t replicate a medical degree that way. But you can learn more about your specific uncommon condition/diagnosis than the average generalist doctor would know. You also know your own medical history better than a doctor you just met and spends 10 minutes with you. You absolutely do have to advocate for yourself and it’s wise to do some research. Doctors aren’t infallible and no, they are absolutely not up to date on the latest recommendations on every disease or subject.

The doctor would have forgotten to give my mom the rhogam shot if she hadn’t insisted. I wouldnt have been born if it weren’t for her advocacy/“research.”  The first obgyn I saw told me that it was best not to treat my hypothyroidism during pregnancy if I hadn’t been treated before and that only white fish was safe to eat during pregnancy. I went home and looked both those things up. She was wrong. Switched doctor practices and sure enough got a different recommendation on both subjects that was actually supported by medical research and medical associations.  Sure, I’ll listen to a doctor, but I’m going to check anything they say that seems odd. And yes, I know the difference between fake news, one inconclusive medical study, and standard recommended practices supported by a large body of research. [/quote]

If you know the difference between fake news and standard medical practices, then OPs post isn’t about you. The examples she cited were not taking antibiotics for strep, refusing vaccines, and bringing in Natural News printouts. Any reasonable doctor would have no problem discussing a news article in a major publication or an actual primary research publication. But no, OP is talking about dealing with people who have no idea what they are talking about and come in ready to argue with the doctor. That must be incredibly frustrating to deal with on a regular basis.

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